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So um, the site is down since apparently Nintendo failed somewhere.
For example, the Metroid Fusion game is Wii U only, yet has 3DS banner ect.

Hope it's the code that's wrong and not the banner, since I would prefer to get that on 3DS than on Wii U.
http://nintendoeverything.com/club-nintendo-europe-adds-a-ton-of-digital-games/



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Here's hoping that at E3 or TGS or whatever, Iwata announces the new EAD Group with Sakurai and his friend at the helm.

Then Sakurai gets on stage or whatever and says "After I almost died working on Smash Bros. I decided to start working on less life treathning games with Mr. K" then the screen fades to black and the announce Kirby's Dream Land 4

And Nintendo doesn't go mobile anymore.



DélioPT said:


Devs weren't badly treated during N64, it was during NES and SNES days that Nintendo didn't treat them correctly and because of that N64 suffered.
As i said, GC was easier to develop and was more powerful than the PS2. Even the Xbox was a better 3rd party platform and it still didn't win them a huge victory over GC. They did get better games like MGS or GTA, but the market still didn't care.
Wii was basically a better GC and that still didn't make devs jump on it even for a quick buck. And this happens before the consoles come out so no one really knew what would happen. Actually, everyone expected Nintendo's demise after the GC.

"The second step which I have also said before is for Nintendo to go to them and convinse them to develop on it and pay companies like Rockstar to develop games for it."
The first step is true, but if you expect the second one to happen you'll wait and wait, because it's not going to happen.
Nintendo doesn't have the funds to make devs port their games to their machine.
And even if Nintendo waved money most still wouldn't take because that could still mean low profits on NIntendo's machines. And with the amount of staff needed for projects today, not everyone is willing to spare staff for Wii U ports.

From what i could gather from your OS explanation, and it makes sense, development wouldn't have an extra hurdle because they don't have to learn a second OS.
But isn't that gain only in the short term? Nintendo had to learn HD development and it hurt really bad at first, yet even today it's still not up there with what they have done on 3DS.
As i see it, even with a single OS to learn, they will still bound to take more time on handhelds, than they do today, and more time on home consoles, than they do today.

Also, not all delays are coming from multiplatform games: Uncharted 4, The Order, DriveClub, Quantum Break are good examples.

Either i didn't explain correctly what i expect from Fusion or you are reading me wrong.
After so many text, i just can't tell! :D

Fusion would mean a 200$ handheld plus a 300$ home console that could be sold for 400/450 when bundled because the gamepad in the bundle would be gone.
And just because you make one game for both consoles it doesn't mean you'll have exactly the same game. Both games could/should have unique content - a treat especially for those who have both consoles.
The problem with Vita/PS4 and Vita/Vita TV is that they don't do none of this and as bundles they are way expensive and cross buy is not for every single game.

If you could tell people that they could choose to buy a home console for 400 and fusion that includes two consoles, two sets of additional content in pretty much all games instead of having just on one version, do you think they would mind paying 50$ more?
Now tell them that Fusion allow them to develop even more games and the type of games they like and see if they don't like that even if they only plan on buying just the console or handheld.

Again, it's not about clones, it's about finding a shooter that has the weight of Halo, CoD, Destiny, etc. A new racer that has the weight of GT, Forza, and so on.
This is the ticket for having 3rd party support on Nintendo consoles and i doubt that if 3rd parties saw that strategy they wouldn't follow it.

They were treated pretty badly in the sense that they asked for cds and Nintendo ignored them completely... When the Devs ask Nintendo for things, Nintendo just simply ignores them compared to their competitors like Sony, when the devs ask them for something, they give it to them...

Market won't care when the games library is that different... The ps2 (look at that list) had significantly larger amount of games than the GC... The GC again, had its own caviats and the xbox had a) A smaller library of games than the ps2 but a bigger library of games than the GC and b) New console almost matched a brand that has been there for generations... That is not something that can be easily done but they did it with the help of third party games...

The wii was better than the GC but the devs didn't care because it wasn't close to the ps3/360... Why would the devs care about the wii when the ps3/360 are sooo much more powerful? You need to understand that there are other platforms in the market and not just Nintendo. And yes, everyone expected Nintendo's demise cause they continue to do things with the system without listening to the third party devs... The market was changing ever since the Snes ended and Nintendo didn't care. They didn't go up to the third party devs and listen to what they wanted, they just made whatever worked for them just to be "unique"

Porting to a different console doesn't cost much if the console is close to the performance of its competitors... It will cost a few million at most and its only to the big ones that require it... Only timed exclusives or third party exclusives cost a lot of money. If its a new third party friendly console, third party devs will jump on it from the geeko without any money and thats proven by the wiiU because it was promised to have plenty of third party support from various third party developers/publishers. The reason why a lot of them stopped was cause it was hard to develop for compared to the ps4/x1 because a) PowerPC, b) weak performance and c) storage space. And of course, Nintendo once again didn't approach the third party devs to ask them what they wanted from their hardware while Sony and MS asked them exactly what they wanted and gave it to them and that has been the case for many generations. If Nintendo started and really mean it, they can do it and all they would have to go is please the third parties

Its not only about the OS... Its about the OS and the Api as well as the engines... They can make an engine for the handheld and later use it for the console just as easily cause all they would have to do is just update it to make it HD which wouldn't really take much effort because they already have the framework to do it. It wouldn't be a shorterm thing cause it will be used for every game... Its kind of like how the Unity engine can be used on anything from a smartphone to a ps4 to a PC but this will be even more efficient

Well, those games get delayed due to various reasons but its mostly because they aim for "Realism" and other nonsense that takes a lot of effort to make which Nintendo games don't need.. Like how Drake's face uses a shit ton of polygons and other things to make him smile but those are needed cause they are going for "realism" where as Nintendo games don't go for that. Cartoony style takes a lot less effort than realism and of course, when Nintendo goes for realism like ur suggesting without any experience, they will have delays even longer than Sony/MS even with a single platform... If you think about it.. Sony and MS has done their realism thing for quite a while now yet they are still facing delays and both of them essentially makes games for a single platform so when Nintendo will try to do the same... I am pretty sure they will have even bigger delays even if they go with a single platform. Hence why third party is once again the key cause if Nintendo leaves it to the third party, then they can continue to do what they have always been doing while still getting third party games which will increase their userbase and market.

Yea you didn't explain that loll. So, I don't get how thats any different than my concept? If the handheld will cost $200 and the console will cost $300, then the console will obviously be more powerful... And if its in the $300 price range, they can make it close enough to the ps5/x2 and make it third party friendly provided they don't include any gimmicks... And if they have unique stuff on both the handheld and console, then they will have to charge money for them seperately or else they will be losing money. And an unified OS is technically "one platform," its just the hardware is different which it will be if the console is $300 and the handheld is $200 provided there are no gimmicks with the console

Well the thing is, it will be viewed as clones. When Sony made killzone and Resistence, many people viewed those games as clones of Halo and Gears of War even though they weren't really the same games. And they still are viewed as clones by many people and the samething will happen to Nintendo. Third parties really won't come to a console if Nintendo doesn't listen to them because they know how much influence they have. They are a bunch of cocky whores but there is nothing we can do about if we want to play Nintendo games on dedicated hardware in the future. The last thing I want to see is Nintendo go third party or completely switch to the disgusting mobile race.

Don't get me wrong, I would love nothing more than to see Nintendo succeed without these bitches but what I would like even more is for Nintendo to stay in business forever so if that means that they have to please a bunch of whores, then so be it imo



                  

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Club Nintendo Has The Sacred Stones? I've been wanting to play that for a while, is it worth getting?

Edit: I'm literally 50 stars off getting it >:( If someone has a spare code laying around could i use it to get it? Its fine if you don't want to.



 

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KyleeStrutt said:
You know? I remember a rumor from some time ago of Nintendo opening a new EAD team with Iwata wanting Sakurai to take care of it.

A certain friend of Sakurai might want to get a new job.

You know what to do now Iwata. wink, wink.

Can't even imagine Kojima being a Nintendo exclusive developer. It would be badass, but unexpected.



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b00moscone said:

Club Nintendo Has The Sacred Stones? I've been wanting to play that for a while, is it worth getting?

Edit: I'm literally 50 stars off getting it >:( If someone has a spare code laying around could i use it to get it? Its fine if you don't want to.

You can get 50 stars with F2P titles like Pokemon Shuffle or IronFall: Invasion. Some applications on Wii U give you points as well.

Weren't you the only one without MK8 DLC? It's 2100 stars, just saying

And 3900 stars for a GBA title seems too expensive (but it's a good game).



episteme said:
b00moscone said:

Club Nintendo Has The Sacred Stones? I've been wanting to play that for a while, is it worth getting?

Edit: I'm literally 50 stars off getting it >:( If someone has a spare code laying around could i use it to get it? Its fine if you don't want to.

You can get 50 stars with F2P titles like Pokemon Shuffle or IronFall: Invasion. Some applications on Wii U give you points as well.

Weren't you the only one without MK8 DLC? It's 2100 stars, just saying

And 3900 stars for a GBA title seems too expensive (but it's a good game).

Yeah, on the other hand i might get that DLC along with something else, and thanks for the help! :D



 

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Hahaha, just noticed that the Xenoblade Chronicles code had already expired last month.
250 stars down the drain xD



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b00moscone said:
episteme said:
b00moscone said:

Club Nintendo Has The Sacred Stones? I've been wanting to play that for a while, is it worth getting?

Edit: I'm literally 50 stars off getting it >:( If someone has a spare code laying around could i use it to get it? Its fine if you don't want to.

You can get 50 stars with F2P titles like Pokemon Shuffle or IronFall: Invasion. Some applications on Wii U give you points as well.

Weren't you the only one without MK8 DLC? It's 2100 stars, just saying

And 3900 stars for a GBA title seems too expensive (but it's a good game).

Yeah, on the other hand i might get that DLC along with something else, and thanks for the help! :D


That only includes Pack 1. If you want both, it's best to wait or just buy the bundle and use the stars for other things.



WhiteEaglePL said:
b00moscone said:

Yeah, on the other hand i might get that DLC along with something else, and thanks for the help! :D


That only includes Pack 1. If you want both, it's best to wait or just buy the bundle and use the stars for other things.


Its ok. I'll buy the other pack as soon as it gets released. I got the MK8 Pack and A Link to the Past since I haven't played it before :D



 

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