You know very well when EDD loses money it is all Xbox and when EDD makes money it is no Xbox.  Geez.  

In reality though the Xbox is by far the biggest piece of that division and although over the whole life of Xbox it is still in the red, but it is recent past that matters and future projections.  Xbox for a number of years now has been profitable (very nice profits some of those years) and forward looking projections are healthy.  Sure some analysts dont think MS should be in the Video Game business just like some analysts dont thing General Electric should have a financial services division.

With MS financial shape compared to Sony, I really believe MS has the flexibility to respond very aggressively to the market.  They can have a very nice first 6 months with the Xbox One selling at a small or near profit and if they think the longer term trend is to fall behind the PS4 they can be aggressive in pricing come E3 and 2nd half 2014.  Much more so then Sony doing the same thing.

It's certainly not weird to question whether or not PS3 has hit 80m and/or passed 360 when Sony is silent as a rock about it. Passing 360 and hitting 80m are two major milestones and you'd definitely expect Sony to say...something.

Problem with this is we don't know when that 75m was. If it was Dec 31st or a week before that was published. Microsoft for instance just said they hit 80mill, making people to believe they'd ship 1.8m this quarter, turns out they did 1.2m and they added 600k from October shipments.

Even if it's 75m Dec 31st, we know they did 1.1m and 2m the last 2 quarters, but we don't have any idea what they did in Q1, which featured a boost in PS2 as they tied up lose ends.

Lets say the 75m was Dec 31st.

75m + 1.1m + 2m = 78.1m plus whatever the shipped in Q1 this year, the previous Q1 (I'm talking calender years if this is confusing you) they shipped 1.9m. So if it was flat YoY it would be exactly 80 million. Problem is tho it likely wasn't flat, as the last 2 quarters have shown they're much lower than most expected.

Like I said it rests on how well PS3 did last FY, which Sony have shed no light on. If they hit the target they're ahead of 360, if they missed it by a 600k or more then they're behind. Either scenario is entirely believeable. Hence, open ended.

It also doesn't really matter. Both consoles have sold plenty...

Indeed.

well, without the losses for kin and zune, payments to nokia and maybe more, the profits of edd would have been higher. and the money has to come from something and if all that stuff made a loss in the last years it is very likely that xbox made a very nice profit in the last years (obviously not in the first). and something like skype isn't so long a part of microsoft and i think it also burned a lot of money at least in the first year. in that year, profit of the division went from 1.x billion to i think only a few hundred million.

maybe xbox is only 25% of the whole division right now with skype and what windows phone is nowadays (with huge payments to nokia the last years)  but the years where skype wasn't even a part of microsoft or where it was much smaller in 2011, xbox was a much bigger percentual part of edd.

just check something like fy11, xbox was the driving force for edd and was much more than 25% of the division. and exactly in this fiscal year, the profit jumped also a lot. don't really remember the numbers anymore and are also to lazy to check all of that but i think xbox was very profitable the last years, just the profit margin is maybe not enough for some...

Very creative, if not desperate math to keep XBox360 ahead. Look, it is very simple:

PS3 sales up to Oc1,2013: 83.5mio - FY12 PS2 sales.

So in order to sell less than XBox360, Sony would have had to sell more than 4.1mio PS2s. 4.1mio was total sales of PS2 in FY11, into a market that was crumbling fast (FY09: 7.3mio, FY10 6.4mio, FY11 4.1mio). I think a good estimate for FY12 shipments would be anywhere from 2m (pessimist) to 3.5m (optimist) given the rapid market shrinking. (And yes, the PS3 is overtracked here but that is another discussion)

So you're going on record to say Sony smashed their FY target and being up YOY last year despite ... actually being down each quarter in Japan, EU and US. That's what you're saying, and you have no proof. Okay.

What I said made use of the infomation they had and assumed Sony hit their FY target.

You described what you're doing perfectly, creative maths. Not using logic :)

Yikes, I hope not but I understand what you are saying since the VTV has more chances of success outside of Japan which has become the handheld gaming capital of the world. lol!

Not what I was hoping for. Not a massive loss for the gaming division is alright I guess. Next quarter will be, though?

Good PS3 shipments. Shame about the muddling of PSP & Vita.