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Are We Alone?

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HigHurtenflurst said:
enditall727 said:

But what exactly do we have to know what the "distance" would be? You pretty much need 2 points to have distance. All we have is earth. It's not like we know where an Alien hive is =P

We are special because we have the intelligence that we have. The real question is.. are we the "only" forms of intelligent life.

You need two points to form a straight line... there are other ways to calculate a distance. And the not knowing what direction intelligent life may be in is part of my point... I think it unlikely there is an equivalently intelligent form of life to us in our galaxy, and even if there is then the distances involved just to travel within our galaxy are so ridiculously huge that it means visiting them is highly improbable.

1. Is there life outside of Earth: Almost definitely
2. Is there intelligent life outside of Earth: Very probably
3. Is there intelligent life (beside us) that we will be able to communicate with within our galaxy: Doubtful
4. Is there intelligent life within reach of humankind: Maybe, maybe not... there are so many factors involved it is too hard to say, for all we know there could be a massive gamma ray burst that wipes us out before we have a chance to leave our solar system, or if not wipe us out could make leaving our atmosphere deadly.... Given enough time I believe humans will be able to colonise extra-solar worlds, but i'm thinking tens of thousands of years from now.

Why exactly are you doubtful that there is intelligent life equivalent to us and ever communicating with them? Is there a specific reason or explanation to why you are doubtful about it?



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SlayerRondo said:
Currently i have seen no evidence for the existence of aliens but the existence of water on other planets/moons in our solar system it would seem to indicate that life could exist on other planets.

And given the size of the Galaxy, it seems very probable life exist outside of earth.

Currently I don't believe in the existence of aliens and am not certain in that belief.


So do you believe that all of the supposed Alien reports and encounters were all lies and a big hoax?



We are 3 Dimensional/3rd Density beings, correct? Well supposedly, a being will not be able to fully understand the dimensions below it and over it. So a 2 Dimensional being cannot and will never fully understand the 3 Dimensional plane until it gets there.

 

A 2 Dimensional Being that fully transitions to the 3 Dimensional plane will not be able to understand how it was able to even fathom living in the 2 Dimensional/2nd Density plane.

 

 

Now lets look at us, and our 3 Dimensional selfs. We cannot fathom the thought of even living in a 2 Dimensional/ 2nd Density Plane. We also cannot fully understand the 4 Dimensional/4th Density plane.

 

 

When i was looking up some Alien type info, i came across something that was very interesting. A guy who was describing his supposed encounter with a UFO. He was basically going on about how weird it was. He commented on the weirdness of how it was able to move and bend. He was going on about it and how he just couldn't "UNDERSTAND" it and how it was almost as if it wasn't of this "DIMENSION"

 

 

Which rises the question " Could these supposed unexplainable, extraterrestrial beings/encounters be from another dimension?"



We are not alone i just know it, the truth is out there!



Until it is scientifically proven that live exist outside of earth there is no proof that there is life out there.

There is nothing more stupid than to be certain of an uncertainty like some you seem to be.



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KHlover said:
Saeko said:
C64 said:
Considering the size of the universe it would be naive to think that we're alone. We'll probably never make contact though.


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You guys would be pretty surprised actually.  That their may be know alien life is actually gaining a lot of steam in the scientific realm.

WIth no evidence aliens exist, just how hard it is to create life and talk of non-carbon life forms basically just being a fantastic guess...

it's gaining quite a bit as far as rationallity goes.  Since really to not believe their are aliens currently makes more sense if using the scinetific principles of reasoning.  (We just really want them to exist.)

Let alone the Fermi Paradox.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

 

AT best, aliens might actually just be some space cows or something.

 

In a way, just matter of aliens beign cool, and a direct opposition to religion may have caused an unscientific belief in aliens, because what space sciencist wouldn't want aliens to exist?

 

 

(Anyone else think this guy is a big fan of Babylon Five?)



Kasz216 said:
KHlover said:
Saeko said:
C64 said:
Considering the size of the universe it would be naive to think that we're alone. We'll probably never make contact though.


This

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You guys would be pretty surprised actually.  That their may be know alien life is actually gaining a lot of steam in the scientific realm.


That's new to me. Do you have references for that? Sounds interesting!

The fermi paradox on the other hand is not even a paradox at all. It's based on doubtful and obsolete assumptions and it's logically flawed.



SvennoJ said:

It could also be that we're in a relatively uninteresting part of our local galaxy, on the outskirts of the milky way system. If we develop ftl where would you go first. Besides even if alien species were able to observe the entire night sky, we've only been transmitting signals into space for less then a hundred years.

There is also the hypotheses that everything we send into space becomes indistinguishable from white noise within just 2 light years, which is not even half way to proxima centauri, the closest star to our solar system.

justinian said:
Until it is scientifically proven that live exist outside of earth there is no proof that there is life out there.

There is nothing more stupid than to be certain of an uncertainty like some you seem to be.

You mean astronauts don't prove that?

Apart from that some bacteria and some types of moss survived and procreated in a simulated Mars environment. I think we should send some of those there to be certain.



Are we alone?
Maybe. I don't know.



enditall727 said:
HigHurtenflurst said:
enditall727 said:

But what exactly do we have to know what the "distance" would be? You pretty much need 2 points to have distance. All we have is earth. It's not like we know where an Alien hive is =P

We are special because we have the intelligence that we have. The real question is.. are we the "only" forms of intelligent life.

You need two points to form a straight line... there are other ways to calculate a distance. And the not knowing what direction intelligent life may be in is part of my point... I think it unlikely there is an equivalently intelligent form of life to us in our galaxy, and even if there is then the distances involved just to travel within our galaxy are so ridiculously huge that it means visiting them is highly improbable.

1. Is there life outside of Earth: Almost definitely
2. Is there intelligent life outside of Earth: Very probably
3. Is there intelligent life (beside us) that we will be able to communicate with within our galaxy: Doubtful
4. Is there intelligent life within reach of humankind: Maybe, maybe not... there are so many factors involved it is too hard to say, for all we know there could be a massive gamma ray burst that wipes us out before we have a chance to leave our solar system, or if not wipe us out could make leaving our atmosphere deadly.... Given enough time I believe humans will be able to colonise extra-solar worlds, but i'm thinking tens of thousands of years from now.

Why exactly are you doubtful that there is intelligent life equivalent to us and ever communicating with them? Is there a specific reason or explanation to why you are doubtful about it?

Well I got started on a little bit of it, but a lot of it comes down to time constraints... As I (and some others) have mentioned, life on this planet has spent more time in unicellular form alone than not, and the good conditions for complex life such as ourselves will degrade in another billion(ish) years. (more simple life can probably last another 2-3 billion before the effects of the dying Sun render this planet uninhabitable)

So on Earth simple life has so far been around ~4 billion years, and could last another 3 billion. Complex life has existed for less than a billion years, and probably doesn't have much more than a billion years left (though some forms may be able to continue existence in deep oceans).

Sol isn't a particularly special star, stars with more mass than the Sun go through life quicker and would allow even less time for life to evolve past the simplest stages... and stars with significantly more mass might even be too violent to form a decent planetary system in the first place.

There are so many factors to take into account to allow for life (at least life as we know it)... for life in general lots of planets will go through stages of being adequate for simple life to form, but the universe is ever changing, and the time most planets will spend in even an "adequate" (rather than ideal) stage is limited.

More complex life needs more time and more ideal circumstances than most planets will be able to give.