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Are We Alone?

Yes, I believe that we ar... 31 16.40%
 
No, I believe that we are... 158 83.60%
 
Total:189

So just something for those who don't believe to ponder, one such estimate with research will reveal to you that there are something like this many planets in our universe:

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

So if you truly believe that we are the 1 planet in the universe out of that many that has life...you should really start buying lottery tickets, because your odds are about 10,000,000,000,000,000x better of picking the 1 that wins.



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enditall727 said:
happydolphin said:
I've been watching Star Trek and the fantasy of space travel and inter-stellar, inter-galactic exploration makes the idea more imaginable, but I remind myself that really, none of it will ever be possible.

Also, as much as I would love for it to be true, I don't believe there is sentient life outside of earth. But it's definitely a fun idea, much like fairies and dragons and all sorts of fantastic things the human mind was created to imagine.

Why do you think that it would never be possible?

Also, why do you think there is no Sentient life outside of earth? If there is Sentient life here then why wouldn't it be outside?

What makes us so special?

The distances involved are ridiculous.

The middle point I disagree with happydolphin so I can't answer for what he might say.... though I guess it could depend on how sentience is measured, I suspect that anything developing similar intelligence to us is an incredible rarity compared to life in general, so in that sense:

Yes we are probably pretty special, but again compared to the distances involved it doesn't mean much... for example if 10% of star systems develop life, maybe only 0.01% of those develop complex life (it took 2.5 billion years from simple to multi-cellular life developed on Earth), and 0.01% of those develop any kind of sentience, and 0.01% of those become self-aware to higher mammal-like level... we are already down to a few dozen star systems in our galaxy and while i'll admit I am pulling figures out of my ass, I believe I am underestimating the difficulty life can have in advancing to more complex stages... probably particularly the change to multicellular.



No, we are alone. My reasoning is that I don't believe in Aliens. To believe in Aliens, you will need to not believe in god. So, i make my choice to believe in god.



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Landguy said:
No, we are alone. My reasoning is that I don't believe in Aliens. To believe in Aliens, you will need to not believe in god. So, i make my choice to believe in god.

I don't see how they are mutually exclusive.

I think most religions (sideways glance at scientology) have put forth that Earth is special and Man is unique, God loves Man alone and that kind of stuff.... but putting religion aside, a belief in God doesn't exclude you from believing there could be life on another planet.



HigHurtenflurst said:
Landguy said:
No, we are alone. My reasoning is that I don't believe in Aliens. To believe in Aliens, you will need to not believe in god. So, i make my choice to believe in god.

I don't see how they are mutually exclusive.

I think most religions (sideways glance at scientology) have put forth that Earth is special and Man is unique, God loves Man alone and that kind of stuff.... but putting religion aside, a belief in God doesn't exclude you from believing there could be life on another planet.

Yes, there could be "life" on other planets, only if god created them.  I am not a fanatic by any means, but if you believe in God, you believe he created not just man.  He created all things great and small.



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Landguy said:
HigHurtenflurst said:
Landguy said:
No, we are alone. My reasoning is that I don't believe in Aliens. To believe in Aliens, you will need to not believe in god. So, i make my choice to believe in god.

I don't see how they are mutually exclusive.

I think most religions (sideways glance at scientology) have put forth that Earth is special and Man is unique, God loves Man alone and that kind of stuff.... but putting religion aside, a belief in God doesn't exclude you from believing there could be life on another planet.

Yes, there could be "life" on other planets, only if god created them.  I am not a fanatic by any means, but if you believe in God, you believe he created not just man.  He created all things great and small.

Yes, that's what I meant... You don't have to disbelieve in a God to believe in alien life.



I don't believe we're alone in the universe, there's so many planets out there that surely at least another one hosts life.

Check this out http://amazingthat.co.uk/ really puts things into perspective, looking at the scale of the observable universe and seeing how insignificant we are in the grand scheme of things, it's hard to believe we're alone.



I believe we're not the only place in the universe that has life. Look at it this way:

Let us pretend you were to bet money on the different possible combinations of life in the universe. To do so, we construct a roulette wheel and place all the possibilities on the wheel with one possibility in each pocket (ex. life on Earth only, life on Earth +1 elsewhere, life on Earth +2 elsewhere, etc) and let us just pretend it's a finite number so the wheel could be a closed circle. This question would be like having the first possibility of Earth being the only location with life as have a pocket colored red, while all other possibilities colored black.

Which would of those two would you bet your money on? Would you place your money on the ball stopping on a red or a black pocket?



JustThatGamer said:

I don't believe we're alone in the universe, there's so many planets out there that surely at least another one hosts life.

Check this out http://amazingthat.co.uk/ really puts things into perspective, looking at the scale of the observable universe and seeing how insignificant we are in the grand scheme of things, it's hard to believe we're alone.

Cool animation, it's amazing how far it goes in the other direction as well.
What also boggles the mind is that while there are between 10^22 to 10^24 stars in the observable universe, the average human body consists of about a thousand times more atoms then their are stars, about 10^27. That kinda puts the hope of building a transporter capable of transporting a human on the backburner...

The speed of light really is a bit of a bummer. We can only peer into the past with our current observation methods. Even if there is an alien civilization looking from only a couple thousand light years away, there wouldn't be much to detect on earth from that distance.  Finding evidence of stellar engineering is an enormous task as well with the amount of stars to look at.

At least there's still plenty of time to find them before the universe turns dark http://www.futuretimeline.net/beyond.htm
Apparently we still have a billion years before the sun grows too hot to support liquid water on earth, that's a little over 4 laps around the galaxy before we have no choice but to move. Manjana.



the-pi-guy said:
enditall727 said:

So you believe that there "could" be extraterrestrial life but you somewhat also believe that the Alien reports here could all be nothing more than Hoax's?

I think it is a possibility that it could just be a hoax.  I think there is always such a possibility.  

If I'm allowed to ask, what do you think of the subject matter that you have brought up?  


You're not allowed to ask lol