famousringo said: azrm2k said: Wii-IGN: but from what we understand the company would need to run local servers to ensure low latency online play, and it has evidently decided not to do so. That's bull. My NA MOH doesn't have low latency online play and yet I don't get a refund! It would if you were connecting to those NA servers from Australia. Bascially, EA doesn't want to incur the costs of setting up servers to cater to a small Australian market. I'm sure Australians will let EA know what they think of this policy with their wallets, and more than a few angry emails. Edit: I think I misread what you were saying about latency there. Still, connecting to NA servers from Australia would have pretty much unplayable latency.

 Hehe yeah I was mocking the game and how I usually get bad lag in my games.  

The amazing controls in this game are both a pro and con.  Pro obviously because they rule (all except for the mortar... god I hate that thing in campaign).  Con though because you realize such great controls are wasted.  They could be used as building blocks for an amazing FPS on the Wii but MOH:H2 is not that FPS.  Not just the bad online play with lag and invincibility glitches, but the campaign is mediocre at best with a pretty dull cookie cutter WWII story and horrendous AI.  

 do you even have any idea how fast the light travels?

let's say it East coast of US to Assuie, about 10,000km and light travels 300,000 km/s. it takes 1/30 second to get there.  

I was going to buy this when I got bored with guitar hero (which may not happen at his rate), so +1 in lost sales.

Which when combined with non-light lag times (exchanges, etc..) turns into a 100ms lag.

A game running at 60fps, has around 16ms between frames - a 30fps title, 33ms. 

So at 100ms lag (assuming it doesn't need to send data back/forth - for a 200ms data delay), that is a 3 frame lag at 30fps. Best case scenario. 

...

Just did a test then - if I ping google.com from my local machine - its almost 300ms. 

A ping to my ISP is around 20ms. So its taking almost 280ms to get from my ISP (a good one!) to google's servers - who should have decent servers. 

That's about 10 frames - when running at 30fps - and 20 when running at 60fps. 

Is it worrying that i'm just getting used to this sort of treatment?

I have no words to describe what i want to say about EA right now

1) how can you make a assumption from sales that do not exist.

2) EA has a bad reputaiton anyway, so you really expect to sell a game that has JUST come out like a week ago to sell a million copies?

3) network costs for 1 game ain't worth it like you said, however EA does plan to release more then 1 game with Online therefore that server can be shared to host multiple games.

All i can say is fuck EA, I will NEVER buy another game from them. I will have more money to spend on other companies games now even if the game might suck more, I will still enjoy it more knowing EA didn't make it.

We can play Strickers here (Aust), almost lag free, the Wii acts as it's own server

Nintendo games with online have worked ok in Australia (just need more of them)

EA are the ones letting us down. I guess ALL EA games in Australia will have no online from now on

this week it came out in europe??
i didn't know that
i will get me a copy =]

@shams

Thank you sir its most definitely not as the crow flies. I have literally seen Australians in online play get cast as lepers. Most of the time they do not deserve it, but I have seen them take a pasting in online gaming. Getting kicked from servers or being forced into restrictive play due to unfair advantage. Often they get labeled as hackers, or get pegged as 56k killers.

Unfortunately its hard to console a person who has been killed by an invisible foe or to calm someone down after they unload a mountain of ordinance on a phantom that is completely unscathed. They are not apt to believe that these type of things are not intentional.

On the humorous side thanks to the lag you see some of the most incredible things in online games. Dead players sliding around killing people, and the always popular death for no apparent reason.

Well, at least those that feel cheated can get their money back.

The game for me is ok. Once you spend the time to get the controls set right, it is a good FPS game. However, the game is no Battlefield 2. For a first real attempt it is pretty damn good, but I still think MP3 was a far superior shooter experience.