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Barozi on 06 October 2013
UltimateUnknown said:
I think you are talking about mandatory installs for games as opposed to updates, because even on 360 you have to download updates if you want to play the game. Most games nowadays get patched after release, so you have to download the updates to play, otherwise you get signed out. What you are referring to on the PS3 is the mandatory install to the hard drive which doesn't happen on the 360. Yes its annoying, but it is said to decrease loading times and stuff. I do prefer the 360's route though where installing to the hard drive is optional. Glad PS4 lets you play the game while its installing and updating.

That said I tend to get most of my games through PS+, so they're mostly digital. Having PS+ helps a lot since I've set my PS3 to turn on automatically during the day when I'm not at home and download all updates for the system and games automatically. That way I don't have to bother with updates when I turn on the game.

Title Updates for 360 are between 1MB and 10MB usually. So he's definitely not talking about the mandatory updates.
I guess the problem lies with the fact that PS3 uses mostly uncompressed and thus much bigger files that have to be replaced during updates.
Maybe 360 updates allow for injecting parts of code into the game files ? Idk but that could be another reason why they're so small.

I only know of two 360 games that have updates that weigh more than 100MB. Burnout Paradise (because Criterion added some of their DLC for free and the rest was put up in the patch as well, so that you only need to buy the key to unlock it.)
The other one is BF3 and while I'm not sure the reason for that is probably DLC as well.

The even bigger issue is IMO that you have to install the updates after you downloaded them.



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Adinnieken on 06 October 2013
Veknoid_Outcast said:
BuckStud said:
Okay, it's now been close to 10 minutes and it's at 3%. I'm shutting off the TV and going to the movies instead.

Try Gravity. Saw it yesterday in IMAX 3D and it was extraordinary.

I want to see this movie, but at the same time I have this fear that it'll have a depressingly sad ending.  Not a cheery movie.



pokoko on 06 October 2013
BuckStud said:
UltimateUnknown said:
I think you are talking about mandatory installs for games as opposed to updates, because even on 360 you have to download updates if you want to play the game. Most games nowadays get patched after release, so you have to download the updates to play, otherwise you get signed out. What you are referring to on the PS3 is the mandatory install to the hard drive which doesn't happen on the 360. Yes its annoying, but it is said to decrease loading times and stuff. I do prefer the 360's route though where installing to the hard drive is optional. Glad PS4 lets you play the game while its installing and updating.

That said I tend to get most of my games through PS+, so they're mostly digital. Having PS+ helps a lot since I've set my PS3 to turn on automatically during the day when I'm not at home and download all updates for the system and games automatically. That way I don't have to bother with updates when I turn on the game.

Nope...this is a 608MB software "update" for Gran Turismo 5 not an install.  What makes it even more of a problem for me is my download speed is 2.5Mb.

Just ... don't download it?  Not trying to be a smart-ass but I'm not sure how else to put it.  I almost never download patches when I first get a game.  I play it first then let it download later when I'm not playing.



UltimateUnknown on 06 October 2013
Barozi said:
UltimateUnknown said:
I think you are talking about mandatory installs for games as opposed to updates, because even on 360 you have to download updates if you want to play the game. Most games nowadays get patched after release, so you have to download the updates to play, otherwise you get signed out. What you are referring to on the PS3 is the mandatory install to the hard drive which doesn't happen on the 360. Yes its annoying, but it is said to decrease loading times and stuff. I do prefer the 360's route though where installing to the hard drive is optional. Glad PS4 lets you play the game while its installing and updating.

That said I tend to get most of my games through PS+, so they're mostly digital. Having PS+ helps a lot since I've set my PS3 to turn on automatically during the day when I'm not at home and download all updates for the system and games automatically. That way I don't have to bother with updates when I turn on the game.

Title Updates for 360 are between 1MB and 10MB usually. So he's definitely not talking about the mandatory updates.
I guess the problem lies with the fact that PS3 uses mostly uncompressed and thus much bigger files that have to be replaced during updates.
Maybe 360 updates allow for injecting parts of code into the game files ? Idk but that could be another reason why they're so small.

I only know of two 360 games that have updates that weigh more than 100MB. Burnout Paradise (because Criterion added some of their DLC for free and the rest was put up in the patch as well, so that you only need to buy the key to unlock it.)
The other one is BF3 and while I'm not sure the reason for that is probably DLC as well.

The even bigger issue is IMO that you have to install the updates after you downloaded them.

The 1-10MB downloads are mostly patches, which tend to be small on both platforms. The bigger mandatory downloads tend to be DLC. For example in fighting games you tend to have to download huge DLC updates whenever new characters are added even if you don't actually buy the DLC characters. This is to make sure that you can fight those characters online if someone else decides to use them. I've had this in Soul Calibur 5, Blazblue CS etc. Same with FPS games as well where free DLC maps end up becoming mandatory for people buying the game late after release because the map has been put into the regular rotation. Although I haven't played GT5, I imagine the big update is because they've added in new cars into the game and the download is to ensure compatibility online, like in fighting games.

The main difference I see between 360 and PS3 is the fact that 360 updates don't tend to require any installation, or you just don't see a separate installation process since it is done as part of the download process. I don't know for sure, but the 360 seems to be more effecient in what it's doing.



 

PureDante on 06 October 2013

It was one of the earlier set backs of the PS3, a lot of the users, including myself, just got used to it with time. There's a healthy dose of PS4 coming to null PS3's pains lol. 



All of this, of course, is just my opinion.

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StokedUp on 06 October 2013

Wow are people really this impatient!? It's never bothered me, I wAit months to years for games to be released so that extra 30minutes-45minutes has never effected my mood at all, im just happy I've finally got my hands on a game I've wanted for so long.



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BuckStud on 06 October 2013
StokedUp said:
Wow are people really this impatient!? It's never bothered me, I wAit months to years for games to be released so that extra 30minutes-45minutes has never effected my mood at all, im just happy I've finally got my hands on a game I've wanted for so long.


I'm anything but impatient.  I do have limited time to sit down and play games though.  I grew up with games you plug in and go.  I ended up going to the movie, got back and this was still going.  The first update was 608MB...there were 25 updates. ...really, thats just silly.



Stop hating and start playing.

BuckStud on 06 October 2013
Barozi said:
UltimateUnknown said:
I think you are talking about mandatory installs for games as opposed to updates, because even on 360 you have to download updates if you want to play the game. Most games nowadays get patched after release, so you have to download the updates to play, otherwise you get signed out. What you are referring to on the PS3 is the mandatory install to the hard drive which doesn't happen on the 360. Yes its annoying, but it is said to decrease loading times and stuff. I do prefer the 360's route though where installing to the hard drive is optional. Glad PS4 lets you play the game while its installing and updating.

That said I tend to get most of my games through PS+, so they're mostly digital. Having PS+ helps a lot since I've set my PS3 to turn on automatically during the day when I'm not at home and download all updates for the system and games automatically. That way I don't have to bother with updates when I turn on the game.

Title Updates for 360 are between 1MB and 10MB usually. So he's definitely not talking about the mandatory updates.
I guess the problem lies with the fact that PS3 uses mostly uncompressed and thus much bigger files that have to be replaced during updates.
Maybe 360 updates allow for injecting parts of code into the game files ? Idk but that could be another reason why they're so small.

I only know of two 360 games that have updates that weigh more than 100MB. Burnout Paradise (because Criterion added some of their DLC for free and the rest was put up in the patch as well, so that you only need to buy the key to unlock it.)
The other one is BF3 and while I'm not sure the reason for that is probably DLC as well.

The even bigger issue is IMO that you have to install the updates after you downloaded them.

We have about 200 games between the four consoles and we've never had a multi hour update to any of our games for the other systems.  I did opt to have GT5 install after the hours of downloading the update which states that it's going to take another 40 minutes to do.  Glad I wasn't in a huge hurry.



Stop hating and start playing.

deskpro2k3 on 06 October 2013



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snyps on 06 October 2013

The worst part is, Sony makes you pay for the automatic-updates service. Just boot you console and test run it the day before you play. Or sell it.