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They've got a few billion reasons not too.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/28/326528/israel-pushes-for-bump-in-us-military-aid/



Are you saying Israel should cut off ties with US? What???
I think the real question is of what use is Israel to US? US must have an ally in the middle east? That doesn't make sense; and that surely doesn't justify Israel receiving like a third of US foreign aid. Especially when there are nations that are in much greater need of aid, and who will not use the money to illegally occupy lands that aren't theirs.
Americans should really stand up to this. Disallow lobbying. Stop arming Israel. They are in no danger whatsoever. They have enough guns and munition to kill everything in the middle east.



           

Kasz216 said:

They've got a few billion reasons not too.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/28/326528/israel-pushes-for-bump-in-us-military-aid/


Jesus. More than 3 billion annually. What does the US get in return?



Talal said:
Kasz216 said:

They've got a few billion reasons not too.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/28/326528/israel-pushes-for-bump-in-us-military-aid/


Jesus. More than 3 billion annually. What does the US get in return?

Happiness of the lobbyists and of the military industrial complex.



           

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ultima said:
Talal said:
Kasz216 said:

They've got a few billion reasons not too.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/28/326528/israel-pushes-for-bump-in-us-military-aid/


Jesus. More than 3 billion annually. What does the US get in return?

Happiness of the lobbyists and of the military industrial complex.

Or, more accurately, the jewish vote/money...



spurgeonryan said:

why are we even allies? 



Israel learned that to have a successful theocratic occupation they needed to influence the strongesst nations. Public perception is tantamount to murder and theft in order to achieve Israeli priorities. Thus, AIPAC was born.

Zionist lobbying in the United States aided the creation of the State of Israel in 1947-48. The preparation of and voting for the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine which preceded the Israeli Declaration of Independence, was met with an outpouring of Jewish American support and advocacy in Washington. President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders—actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats—disturbed and annoyed me."

The relationship between Israel and the government of the United States began with strong popular support for Israel and governmental reservations about the wisdom of creating a Jewish state; formal inter-government relations remained chilly until 1967. Before 1967, the government of "the United States was actively hostile to Israel."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLpP8BvwMXU



Intelligence data, military assistance, diplomatic coverage in the UN, to name a few. The more appropriate question, as others have said, is what does the US get out of the bargain.



gergroy said:
ultima said:
Talal said:

Happiness of the lobbyists and of the military industrial complex.

Or, more accurately, the jewish vote/money...

Can't really see that being the case. 

Afterall the Jewish vote is very tiny, and unlike the rest of the world, Jewish people skew very liberal in the US thanks to mostly escaping the worst problems anti-semitism has caused.

So they tend to vote hugely democratic.  Even though republicans are the more pro israel party.  The modern "Jewish lobby" is greatly exagerrated by conspiracy theorists usually because a lot of the conspiracies picked up by them were originally created by antisemites.


It's really just more, paying for a permanent ally in the middle east that won't ever buck the leash so to speak.

Due to previous history every other population in the middle east defaults to "really don't trust and dislike".  Sure you can offer support and money and they'll work withy the US for the money... including nearby countries like Egypt and Pakistan... and yet.  The population dislikes the move so much, that it's soemthing that eventually can't hold.

 

While Israel?  It doesn't really matter what we do.  They have generally positive views of the US, and are surrounded by enemies.  So long as they're being fronted money, promised military support and shown favortism in military hardware sales... they couldn't really care less with who else we do buisness with.

 



Because the favor of the United States is the only thing keeping Israel from getting blasted in the ass by the UN and the ICC over what they're doing in Palestine. Because if it weren't for America's friendship, Palestine would be a sovereign state by now?

They need us one hell of a lot more than we need them, and frankly we should play that for all it's worth to force them to move towards a two-state solution.



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