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Dv8thwonder on 03 October 2013
Lawlight said:
Dv8thwonder said:
Lawlight said:
Still not seeing how the Vita is dying.


Ask youreself, is Sony giving the Vita the attention of what Nintendo is doing for the 3DS?


What does the 3DS have to do with my question?


Everything.

What are Sony's plans for the Vita beyond 2013?

A handful of niche games (literally) that won't do anything to boost sales.

What 1st party software from Sony (assuming you don't have one) would drive you to purchase a Vita in the forseeable future?

Nintendo is the driving force behind all of their hardware, so when I bring up the level of attention Nintendo gives to the 3DS and is Sony even doing a fraction of that for the Vita. It's on its death knell.

A glorified controller that occasionally plays niche titles and a random indie game here and there does not a dedicated handheld make, especially one made in Japan. 2DS and Pokemon are nails in that coffin.



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PlayMatt on 03 October 2013
JoeTheBro said:
curl-6 said:

Wii U plays Wii software, doesn't mean it's the same system.

I'm sorry but that is just the stupidest response. Wii doesn't play Wii U software, off course it's not the same system.





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hiimnew on 03 October 2013

Vita tv doesn't play all Vita games correct?



GdaTyler on 03 October 2013
tilinelson2 said:
I don't know why the thread derailed into a discussion whether Vita TV sales should be counted together with Vita sales or not, but whatever is the choice of the chart tracker, it will not make any difference to anyone willing to make a Vita game unless it is heavily based on touch controls.

In the end, what matters to the consumer is whether the piece of hardware he / she bought will have enough support and be able to play games they like. As every game developed for Vita TV will work on Vita, if Vita TV sells well enough to convince more and more developers to put their games that work on Vita, we can consider Vita "saved". For Sony too, because if they can profit more and more from the hardware project that generated Vita and Vita TV because of Vita TV, the latter will have "saved" them from an otherwise unprofitable project.

Now talking about what I expect from Vita TV, I think it makes a lot of sense when considering Sony's strategy for Vita. I always believed that since the "Indie" push and the marketing as a PS4 companion, Sony needed to be aggressive and sell Vita in the west for less than the 3DS. Vita being more expensive than 3DS only made sense when it was being advertised as a more powerful console capable of running heavier games.

As it is not the case anymore, and Sony seems to be pushing for a mid-term between the old traditional handhelds and mobiles, by offering cheaper games with attested quality (indies) and aiming a much higher attach rate than PSP or PS3 for example, they could take more losses for each Vita sold and recoup the losses with the software sold. So, I think pricing Vita at $150 or less would not be crazy.

But they did not, and Vita TV comes exactly to fill that void. It is rather cheap ($100), and can be a big success with the audience that doesn't buy traditional consoles because of the big entry price and big price for each game. The Vita-only games would be a plus for that audience (much like Steam were most people buy most of their games during sales, but occasionally shell $30, $40 or even $50 in a bigger game).

If this strategy will work in the longer term, only time will tell. It will depend a lot on how Vita TV is advertised and how strong the word-of-mouth can be. But at least this market looks better than the expensive handheld console market Vita was originally envisioned for.


Thanks for your sensible comment that contributes to the thread for discussion.



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GdaTyler on 03 October 2013
Dv8thwonder said:
Lawlight said:
Dv8thwonder said:
Lawlight said:
Still not seeing how the Vita is dying.


Ask youreself, is Sony giving the Vita the attention of what Nintendo is doing for the 3DS?


What does the 3DS have to do with my question?


Everything.

What are Sony's plans for the Vita beyond 2013?

A handful of niche games (literally) that won't do anything to boost sales.

What 1st party software from Sony (assuming you don't have one) would drive you to purchase a Vita in the forseeable future?

Nintendo is the driving force behind all of their hardware, so when I bring up the level of attention Nintendo gives to the 3DS and is Sony even doing a fraction of that for the Vita. It's on its death knell.

A glorified controller that occasionally plays niche titles and a random indie game here and there does not a dedicated handheld make, especially one made in Japan. 2DS and Pokemon are nails in that coffin.

Whatever. we all know that 3DS will lead but we don't give a shit, really. At least Japan has a couple big titles for next year like SS: Delta and Freedom Wars so far.



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Lawlight on 03 October 2013
Dv8thwonder said:
Lawlight said:
Dv8thwonder said:
Lawlight said:
Still not seeing how the Vita is dying.


Ask youreself, is Sony giving the Vita the attention of what Nintendo is doing for the 3DS?


What does the 3DS have to do with my question?


Everything.

What are Sony's plans for the Vita beyond 2013?

A handful of niche games (literally) that won't do anything to boost sales.

What 1st party software from Sony (assuming you don't have one) would drive you to purchase a Vita in the forseeable future?

Nintendo is the driving force behind all of their hardware, so when I bring up the level of attention Nintendo gives to the 3DS and is Sony even doing a fraction of that for the Vita. It's on its death knell.

A glorified controller that occasionally plays niche titles and a random indie game here and there does not a dedicated handheld make, especially one made in Japan. 2DS and Pokemon are nails in that coffin.


Dunno - Freedom Wars? Soul Sacrifice Delta? Gravity Rush 2?

You're forgetting one thing though - Nintendo had to drop the Wii and WiiU to support the 3DS. Do you think Sony is stupid enough to do that with the PS3 and PS4?



IamAwsome on 03 October 2013
hiimnew said:
Vita tv doesn't play all Vita games correct?

It doesn't play touch-heavy games.



Conina on 03 October 2013
hiimnew said:
Vita tv doesn't play all Vita games correct?


Not all of them but most of them.

PS3 without Move controllers doesn't play all PS3 games correct, but most of them.

Xbox360 without Kinect doesn't play all 360 games correct, but most of them.

Wii without Motion+ doesn't play all Wii games correct, but most of them.

WiiU doesn't play all WiiU games correct in TV-less mode, but most of them.

 DS and DS lite don't play all DS games correct (DSi titles and DSi enhanced), but most of them...




ryuzaki57 on 03 October 2013
GdaTyler said:
Lawlight said:
What does saving the Vita mean?

It actually does need saving. It's only at 5.7 million and it doesn't show many signs of improvement. Sony lost Monster Hunter (1) and developers won't make games for the Vita (2). Indies are great but it will need more than that to succeed. Hopefully Vita TV will increase the install base and increase developer trust and support.

(1)

(2) Have you checked this week's Media Create thread? Vita has 2 games in the top 10. It doesn't need to be "saved" (at least in Japan) : it's already a viable market for 3rd parties and its get more games from them than 3DS already.

To answer your question, PSVita TV has hardly any help for Vita. In fact it competes with Vita since you can play Vita games without a Vita. It is actually at risk to take sales from it.



 

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Adinnieken on 03 October 2013

It'll end up splitting the Vita market.  Since the Vita has capabilities that the Vita TV does not, namely the touchpad on the back, if the Vita TV does gain market share developers will be forced to decide whether they want to target the PS Vita handheld or the PS Vita TV.

The PS Vita I think is smart for PS4 buyers/owners, but I don't think it's a smart thing for Vita owners.