Really, the Vita is technically a great device (although of course already outperformed by some mobile devices) but Sony doesn't learn... Why proprietary storage solution? Again? This is in total contrast to the freedom with PS3 and PS4. And it is not enough to just make common games in a portable version - look at Nintendo and how they do it. Copy it. You are not bad at copying, Sony. Better copy than "invent" things the crowd doesn't want.

 

EDIT: To Vita TV: Can't believe it won't output 1080p...

of course its everything but the higher priced vita plus the expensive memory cards

but handhelds have made it harder for handhelds

I don't think that the handheld market has been hurt by smartphones. Well, it sorta has, but it only seems that way because last gen was extremely big for handhelds (and home consoles, actually) due to DS and PSP catering to people previously not interested in handhelds. PSP provided entertainment on the go in various ways (and through piracy) while DS attracted "casuals". Both groups have been "lost" to smartphones, but since they were only really participating in the dedicated handheld market since last gen, can we even call them losses?
If you compare the GBA's generation, numbers actually don't look bad for this gen up until now. There also was only one major handheld on the market, while there are two now. Or heck, even the original GameBoy's generation could be comparable at the end, considering it's more than ten year long lifespan.
I don't really think the market has been hurt. It's just back to status quo.
What has been hurt though is Sony's handheld, since they only came in last gen and, as I pointed out, most of the PSP's sales came from a crowd now lost to smartphones.

KingdomHeartsFan said: fatslob-:O said: KingdomHeartsFan said: fatslob-:O said: Could that have being anymore obvious considering that the vita isn't needed anymore and so is the 3DS to a lesser extent. It doesn't matter how big mobile gaming gets, Nintendo will always have secessful handhelds. Sony could have easily dethroned nintendo in the handheld market space if they released at $150 and not at an expensive $250.(I guess their fixing up the mess now with the vita tv) The 3ds is on track to sell better than the original ds, there is no way Sony could replicate those numbers, the software on the vita doesn't compare to the 3ds's.  I'm not against the vita, I plan to get one, but Nintendo is on another level in the handheld market.

no its not. 

Lawlight said: KingdomHeartsFan said: fatslob-:O said: Could that have being anymore obvious considering that the vita isn't needed anymore and so is the 3DS to a lesser extent. It doesn't matter how big mobile gaming gets, Nintendo will always have secessful handhelds. If mobile phones managed to half how many Nintendo handhelds get sold from generation to the next, what do you think will happen in the next one?

just face it, nintendo not going out, DS was a huge Success. Half of its sales (75mil-80mil) is very successful, so nothing wrong and beside you think 3DS is gonna sell that? no way it'll end with 95mil-115mil lifetime. Nintendo isnt leaving hanndheld wen they always done so well. 3DS is proof there is still a market for handhelds

tbone51 said: Lawlight said: KingdomHeartsFan said: fatslob-:O said: Could that have being anymore obvious considering that the vita isn't needed anymore and so is the 3DS to a lesser extent. It doesn't matter how big mobile gaming gets, Nintendo will always have secessful handhelds. If mobile phones managed to half how many Nintendo handhelds get sold from generation to the next, what do you think will happen in the next one? just face it, nintendo not going out, DS was a huge Success. Half of its sales (75mil-80mil) is very successful, so nothing wrong and beside you think 3DS is gonna sell that? no way it'll end with 95mil-115mil lifetime. Nintendo isnt leaving hanndheld wen they always done so well. 3DS is proof there is still a market for handhelds

Of course they're not going out. But they're on the path to irrelevancy. 95M-115M? No way the 3DS maintains it's current yearly sales level for another 5 to 6 years.

And as I said, Nintendo isn't going to leave the handheld market because that's all they have.

Lawlight said: tbone51 said: Lawlight said: KingdomHeartsFan said: fatslob-:O said: Could that have being anymore obvious considering that the vita isn't needed anymore and so is the 3DS to a lesser extent. It doesn't matter how big mobile gaming gets, Nintendo will always have secessful handhelds. If mobile phones managed to half how many Nintendo handhelds get sold from generation to the next, what do you think will happen in the next one? just face it, nintendo not going out, DS was a huge Success. Half of its sales (75mil-80mil) is very successful, so nothing wrong and beside you think 3DS is gonna sell that? no way it'll end with 95mil-115mil lifetime. Nintendo isnt leaving hanndheld wen they always done so well. 3DS is proof there is still a market for handhelds Of course they're not going out. But they're on the path to irrelevancy. 95M-115M? No way the 3DS maintains it's current yearly sales level for another 5 to 6 years. And as I said, Nintendo isn't going to leave the handheld market because that's all they have.

well i dont think 2016-2018 will have these sales as well, maybe 9mil-10mil a year but these next 3 years (2013-2015) we can expect 13mil+, especially this year will be very high with i believe a minimum of 16mil units. But anyway i dont think nintendo going anywhere even though smartphones/etc is hurting business. AC/Pokemon/MH can always saved the market alone as well with a new mario platformer/MK/etc! Its funny though looking back 2-3 years ago i dont think many analyst/etc would of believed nintendo doing well, even vita will do good from now on i believe (not close to 3ds and vita tv doesn't count as handheld). i think its funny wen people think 3ds is screwed cuz its not on DS levels. Thats like A team being undefeated a year then next year loses 3 games but are still 1st! if you get me lol

Shuhei Yoshida, you know that's just an excuse as to why the vita is doing badly but atleast your employees at sony are fixing this.

tbone51 said: Lawlight said: Of course they're not going out. But they're on the path to irrelevancy. 95M-115M? No way the 3DS maintains it's current yearly sales level for another 5 to 6 years. And as I said, Nintendo isn't going to leave the handheld market because that's all they have. well i dont think 2016-2018 will have these sales as well, maybe 9mil-10mil a year but these next 3 years (2013-2015) we can expect 13mil+, especially this year will be very high with i believe a minimum of 16mil units. But anyway i dont think nintendo going anywhere even though smartphones/etc is hurting business. AC/Pokemon/MH can always saved the market alone as well with a new mario platformer/MK/etc! Its funny though looking back 2-3 years ago i dont think many analyst/etc would of believed nintendo doing well, even vita will do good from now on i believe (not close to 3ds and vita tv doesn't count as handheld). i think its funny wen people think 3ds is screwed cuz its not on DS levels. Thats like A team being undefeated a year then next year loses 3 games but are still 1st! if you get me lol

We will have to wait and see how the 3DS does this year. This should be it's biggest year in terms of sales. It'll end up at 80M tops.

Lawlight said: tbone51 said: Lawlight said: Of course they're not going out. But they're on the path to irrelevancy. 95M-115M? No way the 3DS maintains it's current yearly sales level for another 5 to 6 years. And as I said, Nintendo isn't going to leave the handheld market because that's all they have. well i dont think 2016-2018 will have these sales as well, maybe 9mil-10mil a year but these next 3 years (2013-2015) we can expect 13mil+, especially this year will be very high with i believe a minimum of 16mil units. But anyway i dont think nintendo going anywhere even though smartphones/etc is hurting business. AC/Pokemon/MH can always saved the market alone as well with a new mario platformer/MK/etc! Its funny though looking back 2-3 years ago i dont think many analyst/etc would of believed nintendo doing well, even vita will do good from now on i believe (not close to 3ds and vita tv doesn't count as handheld). i think its funny wen people think 3ds is screwed cuz its not on DS levels. Thats like A team being undefeated a year then next year loses 3 games but are still 1st! if you get me lol We will have to wait and see how the 3DS does this year. This should be it's biggest year in terms of sales. It'll end up at 80M tops.

Tops??? More like Minimum!