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Will you be buying one, or do you even care?

Hell yeah! 34 8.85%
 
Mabye 32 8.33%
 
Want to see some legit news first 75 19.53%
 
No 44 11.46%
 
Don't even care 72 18.75%
 
PS4 all the way! 92 23.96%
 
XB1 all the way! 15 3.91%
 
PC all the way! 18 4.69%
 
Total:382
Scoobes on 21 September 2013
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
Woohoo another off topic thread! Anyways, PS4 and X1 wouldn't be hard to outpower lol.... In a year you can easily get hardware much more powerful at the same price and if SteamBox is Linux based then efficiency will be good as well.

Maybe not in a year but maybe 2 or so for the same price.


DDR4 man, DDR4.

No we need AMD to force GDDR6 for main memory man and not just leave at the GPU. DDR4 does jack for high bandwidth pruposes LOL.

They're back on the main topic... Steambox. The emulation talk seems to have completely taken this offtopic, lol.




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dahuman on 21 September 2013
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
Woohoo another off topic thread! Anyways, PS4 and X1 wouldn't be hard to outpower lol.... In a year you can easily get hardware much more powerful at the same price and if SteamBox is Linux based then efficiency will be good as well.

Maybe not in a year but maybe 2 or so for the same price.


DDR4 man, DDR4.

No we need AMD to force GDDR6 for main memory man and not just leave at the GPU. DDR4 does jack for high bandwidth pruposes LOL.


We are talking about outpowering X1 or PS4, DDR4 is plenty to do that job running on an efficient OS like Linux. GDDR6 is more like outpowering current high end PCs.

But can DDR4 beat GDDR5 ? I don't know about you but we need GDDR6 to rape the PS4 and xbone.


Hmmm, your 2 year assement might be right in that case since it'd take a little for manufacturers to cap out DDR4 speeds at a reasonable price and for GDDR6 prices to come down more.



sub-zero-TM on 21 September 2013

No. And i don't care.



fatslob-:O on 21 September 2013
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
Woohoo another off topic thread! Anyways, PS4 and X1 wouldn't be hard to outpower lol.... In a year you can easily get hardware much more powerful at the same price and if SteamBox is Linux based then efficiency will be good as well.

Maybe not in a year but maybe 2 or so for the same price.


DDR4 man, DDR4.

No we need AMD to force GDDR6 for main memory man and not just leave at the GPU. DDR4 does jack for high bandwidth pruposes LOL.


We are talking about outpowering X1 or PS4, DDR4 is plenty to do that job running on an efficient OS like Linux. GDDR6 is more like outpowering current high end PCs.

But can DDR4 beat GDDR5 ? I don't know about you but we need GDDR6 to rape the PS4 and xbone.


Hmmm, your 2 year assement might be right in that case since it'd take a little for manufacturers to cap out DDR4 speeds at a reasonable price and for GDDR6 prices to come down more.

Plus doesn't DDR from desktop space also have a smaller bus width compared to a bigger bus width the x1 has ?



dahuman on 21 September 2013
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:

But can DDR4 beat GDDR5 ? I don't know about you but we need GDDR6 to rape the PS4 and xbone.


Hmmm, your 2 year assement might be right in that case since it'd take a little for manufacturers to cap out DDR4 speeds at a reasonable price and for GDDR6 prices to come down more.

Plus doesn't DDR from desktop space also have a smaller bus width compared to a bigger bus width the x1 has ?


They work differently so I'm not sure you can compare them the same way, the system RAM on PC HAS to go through the CPU in traditional computing, the only exception so far is AMD's hUMA and the X1/PS4 are taking advantage of it and utilizing them in different ways, so I'm not sure if we can even compare them this way.



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fatslob-:O on 21 September 2013
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
 

But can DDR4 beat GDDR5 ? I don't know about you but we need GDDR6 to rape the PS4 and xbone.


Hmmm, your 2 year assement might be right in that case since it'd take a little for manufacturers to cap out DDR4 speeds at a reasonable price and for GDDR6 prices to come down more.

Plus doesn't DDR from desktop space also have a smaller bus width compared to a bigger bus width the x1 has ?


They work differently so I'm not sure you can compare them the same way, the system RAM on PC HAS to go through the CPU in traditional computing, the only exception so far is AMD's hUMA and the X1/PS4 are taking advantage of it and utilizing them in different ways, so I'm not sure if we can even compare them this way.

I'm pretty sure they work the same but it's just that having a bigger bus width just gives it a bigger highway between the APU and DRAM and I don't think hUMA makes it any different to access the memory other than the GPU and CPU sharing the same virtual memory.



domflo on 21 September 2013

That's why I wrote "reveal" with those "-thingies (Can't remember their English name right now). Should have gone with pseudo-reveal or something.
But thanks for the "input" anyway.



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r3tr0gam3r1337 on 21 September 2013

if the steambox is a streaming device then it will be similar to "onlive", the console will only require an output for controllers etc and HDMI, if the steambox streams the games there will be no need for expensive hardware and could cost as little as $100, don't make assumptions that the steambox could cost more the the XB1 or the PS4, you know what they say about assumptions "assumptions are the mother of all **** ups"



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FrancisNobleman on 21 September 2013

well the people going for the best console tech wise, this coming gen, shall be excited by this.


because those people do not care about games, they care about having the most powerful console, even if it is a flop with no games.



Pemalite on 21 September 2013
fatslob-:O said:

You realize that the WII U cpu's isn't much different from the WII's right ? Otherwise it would break compatibility like a b#tch LOL.

We already have a WII emulator called Dolphin so I don't know if the programmers their could modify the cpu modules a bit to act like the WII U. 

@Bold Are you forgetting about the raw bandwidth (in the main memory ofcourse) requirements to emulate the xbone or PS4. Hell I don't even think DDR5 will solve the issues of bandwidth and I wouldn't underestimate the memory set up of the PS4 also considering that APU has more in common with Kaveri rather than Llano or kabini and the xbone's secondary cache is pretty damn fast.


Doesn't matter if the Wii U's CPU is an evolutionary step up from the Wii's CPU, it's still going to be more demanding to emulate than Jaguar which won't need to be emulated.

Memory Bandwidth isn't an issue, the PC has more Bandwidth on it's GPU's (Which is where most of the bandwidth demands will lay) than either console and by almost 100GB/s currently, that delta will increase every year.
CPU's are generally not that bandwidth hungry.




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