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outlawauron said:
So that base build will be able to play current games in 8 years?


Propably around 30-40 fps on 720p mid details with little to no AA. Hopefully this gen wont be as long(5 years should be good enough)



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Vashyo said:
Games only need a strong GPU/memory and adequate CPU. Strategy games though are usually an exception because they have to track much more stuff simulatenously, so stronger and faster CPUs are plain better. His rig is fine for the purpose he's going for and I see no issues with the parts he has chosen.

I would propably get a FX-6300 and AM3+ mobo myself though, it's not that much more expensive and comes with 6 cores and its overall slightly faster. 750k is also on outdated FM2 socket (though the future of AM3+ doesnt really have much planned in either at this point, so future-proofing is uncertain). but overall the differences between CPUs isn't very drastic especially for gaming, unless they're really old/laptop/mobile CPUs.

I feel you have very unreasonable expectations when it comes to PCs, and you're just bashing at this point

@Shido yeah not a bad idea if u want to get bit higher wattage PSU, check reviews before you buy though! PC will last long time if everythings setup correctly and u do regular maintenance on it.

 

Btw u might want to add steam digital sharing to your list http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/11/steam-family-sharing/


Thanks, I know a FX 6300 should be the ideal CPU or and i5 3350p but I didnt find an ITX AM3+ Mobo and the cost of the i5 will be much higher than expected budget. Added Steam Sharing



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Shido said:
outlawauron said:
So that base build will be able to play current games in 8 years?


Propably around 30-40 fps on 720p mid details with little to no AA. Hopefully this gen wont be as long(5 years should be good enough)

I highly doubt it. I built a $1k+ PC about 4 years ago and I struggle to things on medium settings leading for there to be very few differences between it and consoles versions.



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outlawauron said:
Shido said:
outlawauron said:
So that base build will be able to play current games in 8 years?


Propably around 30-40 fps on 720p mid details with little to no AA. Hopefully this gen wont be as long(5 years should be good enough)

I highly doubt it. I built a $1k+ PC about 4 years ago and I struggle to things on medium settings leading for there to be very few differences between it and consoles versions.

Which CPU, GPU do you have? resolution you play?


The newer game I could find running on a X1900XT which is a tad slower than Xbox 360 equivalent GPU(X1950XT) was battlefield bad company 2 with everything maxed out with 1X AA according to the video author: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYLV3hU4uLc running problably on 720p or above

The best equivalent should be a HD 5570 which runs current games just fine at a low resolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhxhxpgmwQ

AN 8800 GTX which was released the same year of the PS3  runs Metro Last Light very fluid at 1440x900 with medium texture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0cUPvm2lKw

Looks equal or better than the same games on the PS360 to me.

And the build I posted has more powerfull hardware than next gen consoles. 



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Shido said:
outlawauron said:
 

I highly doubt it. I built a $1k+ PC about 4 years ago and I struggle to things on medium settings leading for there to be very few differences between it and consoles versions.

Which CPU, GPU do you have? resolution you play?


The newer game I could find running on a X1900XT which is a tad slower than Xbox 360 equivalent GPU(X1950XT) was battlefield bad company 2 with everything maxed out with 1X AA according to the video author: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYLV3hU4uLc running problably on 720p or above

The best equivalent should be a HD 5570 which runs current games just fine at a low resolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhxhxpgmwQ

AN 8800 GTX which was released the same year of the PS3  runs Metro Last Light very fluid at 1440x900 with medium texture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0cUPvm2lKw

Looks equal or better than the same games on the PS360 to me.

And the build I posted has more powerfull hardware than next gen consoles. 

An 8800 GTX was $599 in 2006....

I have a GT 230 v2 same or better specs then the Xenos and it's always a crapshoot if a console port will be optimized enough to run decently. I played Metro 2033 and Deus Ex HR on it in 1280x1024, The witcher 2 in 1280x720, Just cause 2 in 1080p and for all had to revisit the settings regularly to keep playable framerates. It's fine for indie games (go play Antichamber in 1080p on a big screen, it's awesome) but Bioshock infinite I chose to play on console. It's a mixed bag, Driver 3 in 1080p (no AA) worked fine 30fps ish, Bioshock 2 no trouble either, Portal 2 some severe slowdown in places but fine overall. That with $200 card from 2009, 3 years after the ps3.

Whatever budget build you make now is going to have the same problems in a few years against console games optimized to their hardware while the HD 7870 and 7950 have been forgotten. No gameplay guarantee for the next 5 years.



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theprof00 said:

EDIT: Also, you didn't include the free games you'll get with ps+

Better include the free games you get with Steam and Origin then, PS+ actually costs you money.
Steam it's free and you get free games!




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SvennoJ said:
Shido said:
outlawauron said:
 

I highly doubt it. I built a $1k+ PC about 4 years ago and I struggle to things on medium settings leading for there to be very few differences between it and consoles versions.

Which CPU, GPU do you have? resolution you play?


The newer game I could find running on a X1900XT which is a tad slower than Xbox 360 equivalent GPU(X1950XT) was battlefield bad company 2 with everything maxed out with 1X AA according to the video author: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYLV3hU4uLc running problably on 720p or above

The best equivalent should be a HD 5570 which runs current games just fine at a low resolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhxhxpgmwQ

AN 8800 GTX which was released the same year of the PS3  runs Metro Last Light very fluid at 1440x900 with medium texture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0cUPvm2lKw

Looks equal or better than the same games on the PS360 to me.

And the build I posted has more powerfull hardware than next gen consoles. 

An 8800 GTX was $599 in 2006....

I have a GT 230 v2 same or better specs then the Xenos and it's always a crapshoot if a console port will be optimized enough to run decently. I played Metro 2033 and Deus Ex HR on it in 1280x1024, The witcher 2 in 1280x720, Just cause 2 in 1080p and for all had to revisit the settings regularly to keep playable framerates. It's fine for indie games (go play Antichamber in 1080p on a big screen, it's awesome) but Bioshock infinite I chose to play on console. It's a mixed bag, Driver 3 in 1080p (no AA) worked fine 30fps ish, Bioshock 2 no trouble either, Portal 2 some severe slowdown in places but fine overall. That with $200 card from 2009, 3 years after the ps3.

Whatever budget build you make now is going to have the same problems in a few years against console games optimized to their hardware while the HD 7870 and 7950 have been forgotten. No gameplay guarantee for the next 5 years.

Those specs sound about right, but If you got suckered into paying for GT 230 in your 1000$, no wonder consoles beat it. It's one of the more lower end GPUs in it's class/timeframe, mostly used on laptops. Heck even the most popular card in the 2xx series GTX 260 was about 2-3 times stronger than it in its time.

I'm quite confident in OPs case he is gonna play atleast those 5 years, not with max settings though. But neither will the consoles. If he wants to repeat your GPU choice for this gen he should go with 7750-7770 range. Not trying to belittle ur opinion or anything, so please dont get offended, I have no idea what was included in ur 1000$ and what parts you chose other than GT 230.

 

Never trust any shop decriptions of parts btw, they allways make everything sound good and sell you crap. Even the most casual PCs are called "powerful" simply because it has good CPU but everything else is way sub-par

 

@Shido, I would say ur setups gonna run at 1080p 30-45FPS atleast for the first 2-3 years, with some AA and everything maxed. Depends on the games ofcourse, some have insanely demanding SSAO for example so cutting that might net u 10-15FPS more.

and yes 8800GTX was roughly 50% stronger than consoles, it still runs them in higher res/more FPS.



Vashyo said:
theprof00 said:
Vashyo said:

You bought overexpensive pc 8 years ago and expect it to run great today? was it ready built or did you build it yourself? Just upgrading ur GPU isn't going to cut it at that point, especially now that developers have to learn splitting tasks on more weaker cores (thanks to consoles), there finally is a reason to own 4-8 core cpu.

I run a 500w PSU with setup that uses more power than his, his PSU should be fine as long as he isnt trying to heavily overclock it. There are some pages that u can use to calculate some estimates based on what ur going to connect onto your computer.

Why exactly do you think that mobo is crappy and will limit the ram, it actually supports 32gb of ram and it says it has 3 years warranty...MSI has been around for a long time, they know their stuff.

Optimization doesnt only exist on consoles, btw. You have to optimize your game for as big of a PC audience as possible otherwise ur doing the same thing Crytek did with Crysis 1. Too powerful stuff for too weak PCs = not selling to maximum potential.

Keep the gradeschool quips out of it, desert punk.

I used a quality case, quality cooling, and quality parts. Yes it was more expensive, but it's also lasted longer than most other rigs have, considering it hasn't been turned off in 8 years. The joke in the OP won't last 5 years. And your recommendation of a 500W no-name power supply is poor advice. I've seen plenty of rigs blow out anything connected to the mobo cuz of insufficient power, and the resulting shorts due to poorly made PSUs.

MSI is a good mobo maker. I know that. My first board was an MSI, and my last one was too MSI KT-9 Pro, a quality good motherboard with the most important factor: "value". However, this is not that board. This is a cheap as possible board, and MSI knows it too.

The kind of rig you're advocating is a fly by the seat of your pants frankenstein with as much spent on the GPU as possible and the bare minimum on everything else, and not including plenty of other things the ps4 or xb1 will come with.

u sure got all aggro on me

You're trying to insert words into my text, I never said the bolded text, actually if you read my earliest post, I told him to specifically look out for low quality PSUs...

my 500w PSU is Corsair model and its been running for over 2 years now without issues.

They even gave this board 3 years warranty, for being a budget board thats pretty much the industry standard and they use same tech on the boards that their flagship setups use, if you ever compared difference between motherboards, the more expensive ones usually come with better overclocking tools/support/capacity and with lot more goodies like additional sata ports and PCI-e slots, etc. So you're just paying for features pretty much, that u won't necessarily even need.

Games only need a strong GPU/memory and adequate CPU. Strategy games though are usually an exception because they have to track much more stuff simulatenously, so stronger and faster CPUs are plain better. His rig is fine for the purpose he's going for and I see no issues with the parts he has chosen.

I would propably get a FX-6300 and AM3+ mobo myself though, it's not that much more expensive and comes with 6 cores and its overall slightly faster. 750k is also on outdated FM2 socket (though the future of AM3+ doesnt really have much planned in either at this point, so future-proofing is uncertain). but overall the differences between CPUs isn't very drastic especially for gaming, unless they're really old/laptop/mobile CPUs.

I feel you have very unreasonable expectations when it comes to PCs, and you're just bashing at this point

@Shido yeah not a bad idea if u want to get bit higher wattage PSU, check reviews before you buy though! PC will last long time if everythings setup correctly and u do regular maintenance on it.

 

Btw u might want to add steam digital sharing to your list http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/11/steam-family-sharing/

The ironic thing is I'm the one being realistic about this whole thing. It's a decent build, but it isn't something I would spend my money on.

You sure seem to think that I'm lying, though. This is why I'm getting aggro, because you're assuming things about me solely because of my position in the argument. I've built my last 3 PCs and I've built over a dozen for other people. None with any major problems. I've been doing this since I was 16. I'm not bashing, I'm putting perspective where perspective is due.



theprof00 said:
Vashyo said:
theprof00 said:
Vashyo said:

You bought overexpensive pc 8 years ago and expect it to run great today? was it ready built or did you build it yourself? Just upgrading ur GPU isn't going to cut it at that point, especially now that developers have to learn splitting tasks on more weaker cores (thanks to consoles), there finally is a reason to own 4-8 core cpu.

I run a 500w PSU with setup that uses more power than his, his PSU should be fine as long as he isnt trying to heavily overclock it. There are some pages that u can use to calculate some estimates based on what ur going to connect onto your computer.

Why exactly do you think that mobo is crappy and will limit the ram, it actually supports 32gb of ram and it says it has 3 years warranty...MSI has been around for a long time, they know their stuff.

Optimization doesnt only exist on consoles, btw. You have to optimize your game for as big of a PC audience as possible otherwise ur doing the same thing Crytek did with Crysis 1. Too powerful stuff for too weak PCs = not selling to maximum potential.

Keep the gradeschool quips out of it, desert punk.

I used a quality case, quality cooling, and quality parts. Yes it was more expensive, but it's also lasted longer than most other rigs have, considering it hasn't been turned off in 8 years. The joke in the OP won't last 5 years. And your recommendation of a 500W no-name power supply is poor advice. I've seen plenty of rigs blow out anything connected to the mobo cuz of insufficient power, and the resulting shorts due to poorly made PSUs.

MSI is a good mobo maker. I know that. My first board was an MSI, and my last one was too MSI KT-9 Pro, a quality good motherboard with the most important factor: "value". However, this is not that board. This is a cheap as possible board, and MSI knows it too.

The kind of rig you're advocating is a fly by the seat of your pants frankenstein with as much spent on the GPU as possible and the bare minimum on everything else, and not including plenty of other things the ps4 or xb1 will come with.

u sure got all aggro on me

You're trying to insert words into my text, I never said the bolded text, actually if you read my earliest post, I told him to specifically look out for low quality PSUs...

my 500w PSU is Corsair model and its been running for over 2 years now without issues.

They even gave this board 3 years warranty, for being a budget board thats pretty much the industry standard and they use same tech on the boards that their flagship setups use, if you ever compared difference between motherboards, the more expensive ones usually come with better overclocking tools/support/capacity and with lot more goodies like additional sata ports and PCI-e slots, etc. So you're just paying for features pretty much, that u won't necessarily even need.

Games only need a strong GPU/memory and adequate CPU. Strategy games though are usually an exception because they have to track much more stuff simulatenously, so stronger and faster CPUs are plain better. His rig is fine for the purpose he's going for and I see no issues with the parts he has chosen.

I would propably get a FX-6300 and AM3+ mobo myself though, it's not that much more expensive and comes with 6 cores and its overall slightly faster. 750k is also on outdated FM2 socket (though the future of AM3+ doesnt really have much planned in either at this point, so future-proofing is uncertain). but overall the differences between CPUs isn't very drastic especially for gaming, unless they're really old/laptop/mobile CPUs.

I feel you have very unreasonable expectations when it comes to PCs, and you're just bashing at this point

@Shido yeah not a bad idea if u want to get bit higher wattage PSU, check reviews before you buy though! PC will last long time if everythings setup correctly and u do regular maintenance on it.

 

Btw u might want to add steam digital sharing to your list http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/11/steam-family-sharing/

The ironic thing is I'm the one being realistic about this whole thing. It's a decent build, but it isn't something I would spend my money on.

You sure seem to think that I'm lying, though. This is why I'm getting aggro, because you're assuming things about me solely because of my position in the argument. I've built my last 3 PCs and I've built over a dozen for other people. None with any major problems. I've been doing this since I was 16. I'm not bashing, I'm putting perspective where perspective is due.

I've been working with comps since my teenage years too. And I've been using them since I was wee little child. :)

I've built and recommended parts to way more than dozen people none with major problems too. I just feel you have bit unrealistic view on performance and quality of modern day tech (not lying), its like you try to just downplay the performance/price/quality so you can feel good about consoles being cheaper.

I'd rather not continue with this convo because its obvious that it's not going to lead into any kind of conclusion, since you're allready mad.

 

Just to give you some perspective, this guy is playing all games smoothly on Ultra while also recording with similar setup as Shido has setup. 750k/7870/8gb ram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXEl_cHBPcg



Vashyo said:
SvennoJ said:

An 8800 GTX was $599 in 2006....

I have a GT 230 v2 same or better specs then the Xenos and it's always a crapshoot if a console port will be optimized enough to run decently. I played Metro 2033 and Deus Ex HR on it in 1280x1024, The witcher 2 in 1280x720, Just cause 2 in 1080p and for all had to revisit the settings regularly to keep playable framerates. It's fine for indie games (go play Antichamber in 1080p on a big screen, it's awesome) but Bioshock infinite I chose to play on console. It's a mixed bag, Driver 3 in 1080p (no AA) worked fine 30fps ish, Bioshock 2 no trouble either, Portal 2 some severe slowdown in places but fine overall. That with $200 card from 2009, 3 years after the ps3.

Whatever budget build you make now is going to have the same problems in a few years against console games optimized to their hardware while the HD 7870 and 7950 have been forgotten. No gameplay guarantee for the next 5 years.

Those specs sound about right, but If you got suckered into paying for GT 230 in your 1000$, no wonder consoles beat it. It's one of the more lower end GPUs in it's class/timeframe, mostly used on laptops. Heck even the most popular card in the 2xx series GTX 260 was about 2-3 times stronger than it in its time.

I'm quite confident in OPs case he is gonna play atleast those 5 years, not with max settings though. But neither will the consoles. If he wants to repeat your GPU choice for this gen he should go with 7750-7770 range. Not trying to belittle ur opinion or anything, so please dont get offended, I have no idea what was included in ur 1000$ and what parts you chose other than GT 230.

 

Never trust any shop decriptions of parts btw, they allways make everything sound good and sell you crap. Even the most casual PCs are called "powerful" simply because it has good CPU but everything else is way sub-par

 

@Shido, I would say ur setups gonna run at 1080p 30-45FPS atleast for the first 2-3 years, with some AA and everything maxed. Depends on the games ofcourse, some have insanely demanding SSAO for example so cutting that might net u 10-15FPS more.

and yes 8800GTX was roughly 50% stronger than consoles, it still runs them in higher res/more FPS.

My fault for jumping in, wasn't my $1000 dollar build. I wasn't focussing on gaming yet a cheap GPU that seemed better then the current consoles seemed like a good deal to add. And it generally is, as I have the choice to run in 1080p.

My earlier point was it's not giving consoles a run for their money, as you'll run into slowdown in sections not optimized for the pc gpu. For example in Deus Ex HR I had to disable v-sync to keep the mouse responsive enough not to overshoot corners. Walking straight it was 30-60 fps, turning 90 degrees it temporarily slowed down to the lower 20's, resulting in much worse screen tear then I've ever seen on consoles. Consoles give a more conistent performence. Hence I bough Bioshock Infinite for console, no worries about having to reconfigure graphics setting in the middle of a big fight when it becomes impossible to aim due to temporary slowdown.