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Scoobes said:
Zappykins said:
Imaginedvl said:

They know what you are talking about :) But just because you said "CPU" instead of "chip" they are just sticking on it so they can ignore everything else and just bash you with this...

I do say Co-Processors in the same sentence, and I've been really clear about what I'm referring too.  But it's the chip that contains the CPUs, der, they know they, just trying to get me into trouble. 

I wish they just had some confidence in their system of choice, and could stay on threads that make them happy but then, perhaps they are hearing the same things I am, so they have good reasons to be worried.

Microsoft took a big risk adding all those co-processors.  Some of which we don't even know what they do yet.  It will be fantastic if they can pull it off, and still make it easy to program, through their DirectX system.  So far, looks like they will be able to do just that.

Yes, you use co-processors in the same sentence but its worded in such a way that it basically says the CPU is larger in the X1, as are the co-processors. The CPU part is technically wrong, the co-processor part is unknown (on PS4). If you're talking about the entire chip then say so (APU or SoC), otherwise it sounds like you're just spreading misinformation.

These are tech discussions so it helps if people are as accurate as possible. Otherwise you just come off as ignorant.

Your expectations are just too high: "secret sauce" PR bullcr..., er, stuff, and "technical accuracy" shouldn't belong to the same thread.   

PS And all this talking about chips with secret sauces just made me have an unnecessary night snack, as if I didn't eat enough.   



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Scoobes said:
Zappykins said:

I do say Co-Processors in the same sentence, and I've been really clear about what I'm referring too.  But it's the chip that contains the CPUs, der, they know they, just trying to get me into trouble. 

I wish they just had some confidence in their system of choice, and could stay on threads that make them happy but then, perhaps they are hearing the same things I am, so they have good reasons to be worried.

Microsoft took a big risk adding all those co-processors.  Some of which we don't even know what they do yet.  It will be fantastic if they can pull it off, and still make it easy to program, through their DirectX system.  So far, looks like they will be able to do just that.

Yes, you use co-processors in the same sentence but its worded in such a way that it basically says the CPU is larger in the X1, as are the co-processors. The CPU part is technically wrong, the co-processor part is unknown (on PS4). If you're talking about the entire chip then say so (APU or SoC), otherwise it sounds like you're just spreading misinformation.

These are tech discussions so it helps if people are as accurate as possible. Otherwise you just come off as ignorant.

Actually, in both reveals they say exactly the number of transistor equivalents (basically the size of the chip).  You can watch the reveal on youtube if you want. Sony was very happy with what they announced.  The chip on the Xbox One is one of the largest ever made.  Some people do claim the largest mass produced, but I think that is stretching it bit, as there is another giant one from AMD. 

It many ways though it doesn't matter what I say, cause if it's not praising a certain thing, people will jump all over me.  Funny, when I said things like, "cool 8GB GDDR5 RAM" people just ignored or praised me.  But when I say, "Wow, Microsoft has made some truly amazing tech." I get called ignorant and bias.

Anyway, November 22, 2013 should be a most interesting day!



 

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Alby_da_Wolf said:

Your expectations are just too high: "secret sauce" PR bullcr..., er, stuff, and "technical accuracy" shouldn't belong to the same thread.   

PS And all this talking about chips with secret sauces just made me have an unnecessary night snack, as if I didn't eat enough.   

oh, noes! You have see through that evil plan where you ex paid me $1 to try to get you to eat to much.  Here is some more motivation.  Mmmm Taquitos!



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

Zappykins said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
 

Your expectations are just too high: "secret sauce" PR bullcr..., er, stuff, and "technical accuracy" shouldn't belong to the same thread.   

PS And all this talking about chips with secret sauces just made me have an unnecessary night snack, as if I didn't eat enough.   

oh, noes! You have see through that evil plan where you ex paid me $1 to try to get you to eat to much.  Here is some more motivation.  Mmmm Taquitos!

LOL! Look tasty, but not now, I almost poisoned myself with centuries old chocolate lurking in my sister's cupboards when I went checking if her fridge and freezer were still working after the last thunderstorm while she is away.  :-S      ...She hoards supplies like a squirrel, then she barely eats a half of what she buys and forgets the rest...   



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Zappykins said:

Actually, in both reveals they say exactly the number of transistor equivalents (basically the size of the chip).  You can watch the reveal on youtube if you want. Sony was very happy with what they announced.  The chip on the Xbox One is one of the largest ever made.  Some people do claim the largest mass produced, but I think that is stretching it bit, as there is another giant one from AMD.

It many ways though it doesn't matter what I say, cause if it's not praising a certain thing, people will jump all over me.  Funny, when I said things like, "cool 8GB GDDR5 RAM" people just ignored or praised me.  But when I say, "Wow, Microsoft has made some truly amazing tech." I get called ignorant and bias.

Anyway, November 22, 2013 should be a most interesting day!

Sony didn't revealed the size... MS revealed the size just two weeks ago... 363mm²... that didn't put it even close to largest chips (I think Fermi for desktops was the biggest with 502mm²).

The Sony ship have ~3 billion transistiors... MS one have ~5 billion transistors... CPUs are identical, GPU is bigger on Sony side, eSRAM have close to 2 billion transistors on MS side, the co-processors on Xbone are around the different size of GPUs... so the biggest difference is the eSRAM.

MS chip without eSRAM could have close 3 billion transistors too.

PS. I expect a chip close to 250mm² from Sony... we didn't have the size yet.



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There's always the potential that some of the co processors are redundant on purpose to increase use able yields, much like how and processors with defective cores have those cores turned off and sold as a different, fewer core model.



Frequency said:
There's always the potential that some of the co processors are redundant on purpose to increase use able yields, much like how and processors with defective cores have those cores turned off and sold as a different, fewer core model.

The co-processor are not processors at... seems more like DMAs and other fixed units... the only big is the audio processor I guess... there are 15 in total (4x DMAs, 5x Audio, etc).

About the redundancy MS stated the eSRAM is bigger than 32MB but only 32MB will be used to get better yields like you said... the co-processor are simple so I don't there are any redundancy.



Do we have any info on the confirmed transistor count.



fatslob-:O said:
Do we have any info on the confirmed transistor count.

~5 billions



ethomaz said:
fatslob-:O said:
Do we have any info on the confirmed transistor count.

~5 billions


I'll probably assume that some functional units are dissabled consider that comes at roughly near 400mm^2 die.