I had already disqualified that Valve statement, because it is the only single thing one can refer to.  Yes, I knew you were going to post it, as out of the thousands and thousands of games that have been developed, it is the only single time that someone thought it was better.  It is, as I said, comparing a much older, 4 years +, to a current version of OpelGL, the fact that it was as close as it was it truly a statement to the awesomeness of DirectX.  It is a silly and misleading statement of Valve trying to say a very old version is worse than a brand new OpenGL.  Like saying, "Hey, my Model T doesn't run on the freeways."  

Would you care to try again?  Since DirectX 6, where they were about even, and since DirectX has been the much better platform.  It's why so many games are developed on it.  You do realize that DirectX for the PC is a leading development platform right?  Do you realize that this has little to do with the thread? 

The chip is significantly bigger.  Not sure why you are trying to say it's not.  It's a much bigger chip, fact, sorry, end of statement. 

Oh, yes, the fact they didn't bother to put in drivers in Drive Club, sure shows they were thinking about details.  Have you ever talked to someone that has played it on the PS4?  If they could pull it up to 1080P at 60 FPS, I would stay congratulations.  I don't hate Sony, you know I've met a bunch of their developers right?  But I think a camel has a great chance of winning super power ball than they can pull up Drive Club to the visuals of Forza 5.

Windows is the lead plataform for games so they use DirectX most of times... DirectX is not better than OpenGL and you can ask to any game developer... you are trying to say that DirectX is a advantage on Xbone and it is not.

Your words "The CPU is significantly larger"... false, wrong, sorry the CPU is identical and if they have differences in size is because the transistors density that won't make the size be %5 different.

DriveClub is already ahead Forza 5 in graphics terms.

Are people seriously trying to bring up the API wars when neither both sides know jack about it ? BTW directx won because of a monopoly that microsoft was trying to acquire developers on the platform first before their competitors and thats when every developer made it priority to do so and not because it was better. Honest to god opengl and directx is pretty similar.

[bold] Well, thanks captain obvious.  LOL.  I understand they can't force you to do anything.  But they are charging for Kinect (vs. eating the cost).

The second part of your post makes the same point I did.  If they can sell out a launch bundle at 500, they made the smart decision in terms of pricing at the end of the day.

You said the X1 CPU is much bigger than the PS4 CPU which is completely false as they're both identical chips with identical architectures designed by the same company. People can see what you posted (and in the following quotes) above so changing it now to include the whole chip is pretty much admitting you were either wrong and spreading misinformation or lying.

I've said repeatedly CPU and Co-processors on the chip are larger.  Not sure why you guys can't get that.  Just look at the Sony reveal, then watch the Microsoft reveal, it's all in there.

I could point out that the Xbox 360's CPU and the PS3's Cell were designed by the came company at the same time, for the most part. But people don't seem to want to understand that either.

They know what you are talking about :) But just because you said "CPU" instead of "chip" they are just sticking on it so they can ignore everything else and just bash you with this...

I do say Co-Processors in the same sentence, and I've been really clear about what I'm referring too.  But it's the chip that contains the CPUs, der, they know they, just trying to get me into trouble. 

I wish they just had some confidence in their system of choice, and could stay on threads that make them happy but then, perhaps they are hearing the same things I am, so they have good reasons to be worried.

Microsoft took a big risk adding all those co-processors.  Some of which we don't even know what they do yet.  It will be fantastic if they can pull it off, and still make it easy to program, through their DirectX system.  So far, looks like they will be able to do just that.

Yes, you use co-processors in the same sentence but its worded in such a way that it basically says the CPU is larger in the X1, as are the co-processors. The CPU part is technically wrong, the co-processor part is unknown (on PS4). If you're talking about the entire chip then say so (APU or SoC), otherwise it sounds like you're just spreading misinformation.

These are tech discussions so it helps if people are as accurate as possible. Otherwise you just come off as ignorant.

Give it a break now... He stated many times he was talking about the whole chip. Stop acting like you did not get it the first time.