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Machiavellian said:

I always love statements like this that assumes it knows a market with no data.  This is the part you do not get.  Because the machine is a media entertainment device, it fits all the little spots for a consumer who is looking for something that does MORE than games but can also serve up content, run their fantasy league and snap between content including making 1080P video calls to your brother while you watch the game together.

So I will agree that no average NFL TV watcher will pay 500 bones for just a game machine but they sure probably would pay 500 bones for a media entertainment device that serves up all their content and allow them to do multiple things at the same time while socializing with their family who do not live in the same area or state.

Wishful thinking at best. 

Lots of dreamers in here who will be in for a rude awakening.



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How does Microsoft expect to sell this console to people who aren't American when they only focus on NFL? So far it seems to be a American media console only, with no way of trying to appeal to others. 



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thx1139 said:
I really look forward to continuing to watch Bears games with my sons as they go away to college. The ability to have Skype up while we watch together will be awesome.


I believe you hit on something a lot of people in this thread do not understand. I see a lot of comments that make be believe a lot of people on this site are single or do not have families.  I know when I was younger I only bought stuff for myself, upgraded my PC for myself even though I was married.  Now that I have kids, wife etc, I buy more for the familie.  I am looking for something that can be used by all of us because it makes justifying the purchase much easier.  When I tell the wife, the things the X1 does for her and the kids, dropping 500 dollars becomes much easier.

With the Skype integration and 1080P video conference, I can easily be watching a game and hook right up with my brother.  Just last year, we were watching the NBA playoffs and talking to each other on the phone as the game was playing.  For people who family and friends are all over the country, this is a very nice feature

I love playing games because I purchase every system but I am getting to the age where I need more for my money.  I am waiting for Sony to show me what they can do besides games because currently I see no reason to purchase the PS4 at launch.  My game catalog is pretty big that by the time I get finish it will be next year.



Adinnieken said:
riderz13371 said:

You can't do both. You are either watching TV or you're reading a book. You can't read a book and watch TV at the same time. Multi tasking like that doesn't exist because both tasks can't be accomplished at the same time. 

Watching TV while reading a book and carrying a conversation all at the same time? LOL 

Yeah, you can.  I'd call it post-processing.  You're constantly listening, while reading.  You give an auditory response, like "yeah" every now and again, then after the person is done talking, you pause the video, stop reading, then respond. 

Hell, I'll give you one better.  While watching a British TV show, "The Scheme", I used Google Maps to pinpoint where the people in the show lived, while talking to a friend from Scotland.  I've never set foot in East Ayrshire, or Scotland for that matter.  Yet I showed him and another friend that lived in the city The Scheme was filmed in, the exact locations. 

Yes, I can multi-task.

There are other examples, but I won't go into them.



Part of my workout is Eliptical machine while reading Game of Thrones while listening to TV or Music. So yes people can do more than 1 thing at a time.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

dsgrue3 said:
Machiavellian said:

I always love statements like this that assumes it knows a market with no data.  This is the part you do not get.  Because the machine is a media entertainment device, it fits all the little spots for a consumer who is looking for something that does MORE than games but can also serve up content, run their fantasy league and snap between content including making 1080P video calls to your brother while you watch the game together.

So I will agree that no average NFL TV watcher will pay 500 bones for just a game machine but they sure probably would pay 500 bones for a media entertainment device that serves up all their content and allow them to do multiple things at the same time while socializing with their family who do not live in the same area or state.

Wishful thinking at best. 

Lots of dreamers in here who will be in for a rude awakening.

Actually the only dreamer seems to be you.  You dismiss a mass market feature like its nothing.  You dismiss having integration with the top fantasy leagues on your console as nothing.  You believe that people would not see having the ability to snap between video conference between family members while watching something that is a social featuere, Sports!

You believe just because a feature does not tick your box, it cannot be popular which is another falacy.  When all is said and done, there is no rude awakening.  For people who believe this is a nice feature, they will get the X1 and enjoy it.  I am sure they will not care about any fanboy arguments on its merits or care how many X1 sales compared t the competition.



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Machiavellian said:
thx1139 said:
I really look forward to continuing to watch Bears games with my sons as they go away to college. The ability to have Skype up while we watch together will be awesome.


I believe you hit on something a lot of people in this thread do not understand. I see a lot of comments that make be believe a lot of people on this site are single or do not have families.  I know when I was younger I only bought stuff for myself, upgraded my PC for myself even though I was married.  Now that I have kids, wife etc, I buy more for the familie.  I am looking for something that can be used by all of us because it makes justifying the purchase much easier.  When I tell the wife, the things the X1 does for her and the kids, dropping 500 dollars becomes much easier.

With the Skype integration and 1080P video conference, I can easily be watching a game and hook right up with my brother.  Just last year, we were watching the NBA playoffs and talking to each other on the phone as the game was playing.  For people who family and friends are all over the country, this is a very nice feature

I love playing games because I purchase every system but I am getting to the age where I need more for my money.  I am waiting for Sony to show me what they can do besides games because currently I see no reason to purchase the PS4 at launch.  My game catalog is pretty big that by the time I get finish it will be next year.

I know. Back when the Bears won the Super Bowl in 1986 I was away at school and I would call my father during and after each and every game that season.  I would have loved the ability to have a Skype call with him during the game.  Now my oldest just went away to school and my sister lives 5 states away.  This will be very nice, not just for me, but my whole family.

Yet I think I know what the issue is. It seems a lot of people also believe consoles get tired from playing games and if they dont get a rest when you arent playing a game they wont recover.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

Machiavellian said:
dsgrue3 said:

Wishful thinking at best. 

Lots of dreamers in here who will be in for a rude awakening.

Actually the only dreamer seems to be you.  You dismiss a mass market feature like its nothing.  You dismiss having integration with the top fantasy leagues on your console as nothing.  You believe that people would not see having the ability to snap between video conference between family members while watching something that is a social featuere, Sports!

You believe just because a feature does not tick your box, it cannot be popular which is another falacy.  When all is said and done, there is no rude awakening.  For people who believe this is a nice feature, they will get the X1 and enjoy it.  I am sure they will not care about any fanboy arguments on its merits or care how many X1 sales compared t the competition.

That's actually not what I said at all. You, as well as many in here, are simply allowing your fanhood to cloud your ability to find my argument (despite my many attempts to clarify for you). Remove your head from the clouds and read what I say.

I am saying that people not interested in gaming will not plop down $500 for the non-gaming features. It's not that type of device...it falls way short in that regard. The Venn diagram was intended to be used to make this explicitly clear for you. I mean, you're welcome to disagree with that analysis, but I think you have unrealistic expectations. 



SSJGohan3972 said:
kitler53 said:
SSJGohan3972 said:
very smart advertisement for the people they are shooting for


whom is that?  the nfl fan that is watching an nfl game but really wishes they had a way to watch the game they are already watching?    that guy that wants to watch football but is desperate to have the game interupted by video chat calls?  the dude that thinks the already persistant onscreen game stat updates isn't enough and want to dedicate even more screen space to games other than the one they wanted to watch?


Obviously you do not like or feel the need for these features, nor do I in fact but that doesn't mean other people might not.

I watch the NFL pretty regularly but I don't do the fantasy stuff or watch multiple games at the same time and it's not that big a deal for me if I miss a week etc., but there are a LOT of very big NFL fans that pay hundreds of extra dollars on their already heavy cable or satellite bills to be able to watch every game just so they can study the games for their fantasy leagues, etc. Some of those same people might find the motion and voice controls cool and these people also include a large group of people that have large amounts of dispossable income (or credit) that overpay for TVs, audio/video systems, etc. and there's a chance if they like these features Microsoft might be able to intice them into dropping $500 just for these features - and heck just putting the advertisement out has got people like us talking about the XB1 again and that just translates to more knowledge of the subject matter for more people (the main point of advertising I believe).

I don't understand why people can't understand this but not everything is necessarily directed at you.


too many quotes.  as they all basically say the same thing so i'm just going to choose you to respond too...

..this is nothing to do with me.  the debate is centered around "what is the audience?".  ESPN was announced for 360 at E3 2010 and many made the exact same claims about how this is big back then.  it released to no fanfare in the sportz community and did nothing to expand 360's market.  fast forward to today and i'm rebutteling against those that think this is going to be impactful.  it has no exclusive content.  it is expensive. it many ways is it a hindrance to how a majority of people enjoy watching the game.  the target audience is tiny for this and limited to sportz fanatics that also already want a gaming machine.  someone is going to love the shit out of this and many prexisting xbox fans will enjoy having it too.   ..but the impact to expanding the xbox brand will be miniscule.



dsgrue3 said:
Machiavellian said:
dsgrue3 said:

Wishful thinking at best. 

Lots of dreamers in here who will be in for a rude awakening.

Actually the only dreamer seems to be you.  You dismiss a mass market feature like its nothing.  You dismiss having integration with the top fantasy leagues on your console as nothing.  You believe that people would not see having the ability to snap between video conference between family members while watching something that is a social featuere, Sports!

You believe just because a feature does not tick your box, it cannot be popular which is another falacy.  When all is said and done, there is no rude awakening.  For people who believe this is a nice feature, they will get the X1 and enjoy it.  I am sure they will not care about any fanboy arguments on its merits or care how many X1 sales compared t the competition.

That's actually not what I said at all. You, as well as many in here, are simply allowing your fanhood to cloud your ability to find my argument (despite my many attempts to clarify for you). Remove your head from the clouds and read what I say.

I am saying that people not interested in gaming will not plop down $500 for the non-gaming features. It's not that type of device...it falls way short in that regard. The Venn diagram was intended to be used to make this explicitly clear for you. I mean, you're welcome to disagree with that analysis, but I think you have unrealistic expectations. 

As to the commercial, it appears MS must also understand your Venn diagram because the commercial did not show or talk about anything to do with games but showed the ability to have your fantasy updates on the same screen as your sports game.  It showed Skype snap ability and voice navigation.  Did it strike you that for the people where gaming isn't a big deal, those features are.  Seems the narrow focus is your perception.  Ms isn't marketing the X1 to that crowd as a gaming machine, its marketing to that crowd as an entertaiment machine.  This is what makes your argument not sound.  I know for a fact that people who are serious about their Sports, pay big money for large screen TVs, sound systems etc.  Plunking down down 500 for a device that integrate a lot of what you do in one area is a very strong feature.



Machiavellian said:
dsgrue3 said:

That's actually not what I said at all. You, as well as many in here, are simply allowing your fanhood to cloud your ability to find my argument (despite my many attempts to clarify for you). Remove your head from the clouds and read what I say.

I am saying that people not interested in gaming will not plop down $500 for the non-gaming features. It's not that type of device...it falls way short in that regard. The Venn diagram was intended to be used to make this explicitly clear for you. I mean, you're welcome to disagree with that analysis, but I think you have unrealistic expectations. 

As to the commercial, it appears MS must also understand your Venn diagram because the commercial did not show or talk about anything to do with games but showed the ability to have your fantasy updates on the same screen as your sports game.  It showed Skype snap ability and voice navigation.  Did it strike you that for the people where gaming isn't a big deal, those features are.  Seems the narrow focus is your perception.  Ms isn't marketing the X1 to that crowd as a gaming machine, its marketing to that crowd as an entertaiment machine.  This is what makes your argument not sound.  I know for a fact that people who are serious about their Sports, pay big money for large screen TVs, sound systems etc.  Plunking down down 500 for a device that integrate a lot of what you do in one area is a very strong feature.

MS is free to market their device as they please, no matter how stupidly. Yes the big screens are bought to enjoy the big picture, not to be cumbered by other things. 

A toaster is a toaster, no matter how many other features you add to it.