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Forums - Microsoft Discussion - [RUMOR]Xbox One Could Possibly Feature a Powerful Discrete GPU Core Stacked Inside the APU

ethomaz on 03 September 2013

selnor1983 said:

Custom Jaguar x86-64 cores, two clusters of 4 cores

  • 68 GB/sec peak bandwidth to off-chip 8GB DDR3 memory.
  • 204 GB/s peak bandwidth to 32MB of on-die storage.
  • 47MB of cache
  • 8G DDR3 and 8G FLASH
  • Coherent Shared Memory
  • Memory sharing & bandwidth (HSA HUMMA)
  • DX11.1+ GPU @ 1.71 BILLION POLYGONS A SECOND ( This applies only to the core GPU )
  • 264GB/s total memory bandwidth
  • GPU CONTAINS 15 co-processors ( seperate from the core GPU )
  • 500 GB HARD DRIVE ++
  • Audio offload processor 15 GFLOPS

Notice all the extra co processors aside from the core GPU. Its this core GPU TFLOPS figure used in comparison to PS4's GPU TFLOPS. It will be interesting as PS4 in its entirety only has 7 co processors. Xbox One has 15 on the GPU side alone.

Be interesting to see how this turns out. Microsoft did say dont always believe whats on paper. And that it may turn out that design is better than numbers. They look to have the design to back up their claim. Tey did pay AMD 1.2 billion more than Sony for their APU design.

I don't what to kill your hopes but MS slides shows 5 audio co processors and 4 DME co processos... just that part is 9 co processors from the 15 listed by MS.

And the bold part nobody knows.



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selnor1983 on 03 September 2013
iamdeath said:
vfguy said:
That is my issue as well. If the PS4 is truly 50% more powerful (or whatever the number is), wouldn't it show in the launch games? Wouldn't Battlefield be able to handle 1080p, for instance? Wouldn't the PS4 truly be a step above the X1 games?


Launch titles are rushed and never really tap into the full power of a console, is this your first console launch? Compare resistance fall of man to uncharted 2......................

 

Also who said there won't? Drive club  > graphically then forza 5. Games are not out, videos are hardly a good way to compare games, they simply do not show a difference. I have been a PC gamer for years everytime they show a video of PC versus console it doens't look much different, but when you sit down in front of it and play...the hgraphical difference jumps out.

Driveclub will get smashed on DF by Forza 5. DF already said in their preview Fora 5 was much better visually and technically. 



iamdeath on 03 September 2013
selnor1983 said:
Xenostar said:
selnor1983 said:
Xenostar said:
selnor1983 said:
iamdeath said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:
Hope its true. Just wait for etomaz to come here and spin this thing around.....waiting...


There is nothing to spin.............this is a rumour and highly unilkely, all the hardware specs have been officially outlined for ages.

Actually thats not true. Theres about 30 % of Hardware info Microsoft is not saying anything about. It is a fact that there is a NDA on the APU design in Xbo One. Why? Who knows. But this is the 7th rumour on this in 3 weeks. So who knows.

 

On the real side. So far the PS4 dos not have ay game visuals that beat XboX One. ITs only launch I know. Bu if PS4 is relly more powerful, why do Sony feel the need to mention it 500 times a week. Saying look at Killzone etc. Because Forza 5, Ryse and Quantum Break all look at th top for ingame visuals. PS4 is currently leadinng nothing in the graphics department on release. And I expect DF and reviews to support this on launch.


Think youll be dissapointed, after the KI downgrade to 720p, just wonder what other games were bull shitting there capabilities on high end PC's at E3


1. Sony has had not one single game running on finished hardware. Not one. Microsoft on the other hand as had Forza 5, Ryse, Killer Instinct and Dead Rising 3 running on retail Xbox Ones at E3, Gamescom and Pax. Confirmed by more than 5 sources. Including Digital Foundry.

2. There could be numerous reasons as to why certain developers are dropping the resolution. Including running out of time to rewrite code. Noone knows how long developers have had final devkits for either console. 

3. Forza 5 and Killer Instinct are getting praise for being the smoothest games at events like Gamescom and Pax. Sounds like concentrating on 60 fps was massively smart for launch titles. If Killer Instinct sells well, Im sure the next game will be native 1080p and 60 fps, wjilst having even more of tose amazing particle effects they have. The game already looks stunning. Best fighter visuals by a country mile.

4. I think Sony is setting its fans up for disappointment. What happens if this rumour is true? And its unlocked for 2nd wave games. Is possible, and will make Sony PS4 hugely underpowered in comparison.

Telling ya now when those multi platform game comparisons start coming in your gonna be very dissapointed. 

If the rumour is true, then more fool MS for letting pre orders slip away and allowing the mass market to believe thats its the weaker console, it can be hard to turn around mass opinion. 

Plus Sony have shown many games running at 60fps including killzone MP and Infamous Second Son, two genres far more difficult to do that in than a 1 on 1 fighter and a car game. so im not sure what your blithering about saying theres been no evidence of more powerfull hardware. 


Microsoft have shown 3 games in 60 fps. Not sure what you mean. PS3 nearly lost all 3rd party compariosns. But many would have you believe its more powerful.

Since when is FPS all there is  to graphics?

 

This is about PS4, not PS3, what is the point of saying that? PS3 was a poor console for many multiplats welcome to 2007.........................



Machiavellian on 03 September 2013
iamdeath said:
drkohler said:
selnor1983 said:

It makes sense as to why Microsoft were keeping quiet and saying its not all about TFLOPS of the GPU core. They may have paid 3 billion with AMD

And this is how a silly rumour creates more silly rumours...

MS NEVER paid AMD 3billions. The $3b was an estimate thrown into the ring by some AMD guy on how much AMD could make over XBox One's lifetime, selling APUs. We don't know how many XBox Ones will sell over its lifetime, but assuming an optimistic 200 million units, we can see that AMD would make around $15 per XBox One apu.

Exactly......This is just wishfull thinking by xbox fans who don't want to accept reality.

Here is the actual quote from the rumor and it doesn't say anything about how much AMD would make over the lifespan of the X1.  It clearly states about the custom APU in the X1.  Also this isn't just some AMD guy, its the VP of technology who now works at Nvidia

"“AMD provided a custom silicon solution to Microsoft for the Xbox One, a game console and entertainment device. This required the coordination of multiple functional teams within AMD, as well as regular customer meetings with leadership teams responsible for handling the challenges of complex, muti-year deals. This project is valued at $3+B.”"



iamdeath on 03 September 2013
selnor1983 said:
iamdeath said:
vfguy said:
That is my issue as well. If the PS4 is truly 50% more powerful (or whatever the number is), wouldn't it show in the launch games? Wouldn't Battlefield be able to handle 1080p, for instance? Wouldn't the PS4 truly be a step above the X1 games?


Launch titles are rushed and never really tap into the full power of a console, is this your first console launch? Compare resistance fall of man to uncharted 2......................

 

Also who said there won't? Drive club  > graphically then forza 5. Games are not out, videos are hardly a good way to compare games, they simply do not show a difference. I have been a PC gamer for years everytime they show a video of PC versus console it doens't look much different, but when you sit down in front of it and play...the hgraphical difference jumps out.

Driveclub will get smashed on DF by Forza 5. DF already said in their preview Fora 5 was much better visually and technically. 

Proof? Smashed? umm, no.



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vfguy on 03 September 2013

Comparing launch games should be apples to apples. Especially since the PS4 is supposedly more developer friendly in addition to being more powerful.


Based on some of the estimates, it seems the theoretical difference might be even larger than the PS2/Xbox.

Therefore, by comparison, PS2 launch games, especially in their rougher, jaggy Japanese state looked much worse than the Xbox launch line up (Tekken vs DOA 3; Ridge Racer vs. Project Gotham; Halo vs. Time Splitters).

Is this your first console launch?



Putin on 03 September 2013
selnor1983 said:

Notice all the extra co processors aside from the core GPU. Its this core GPU TFLOPS figure used in comparison to PS4's GPU TFLOPS. It will be interesting as PS4 in its entirety only has 7 co processors. Xbox One has 15 on the GPU side alone. 

Be interesting to see how this turns out. Microsoft did say dont always believe whats on paper. And that it may turn out that design is better than numbers. They look to have the design to back up their claim. Tey did pay AMD 1.2 billion more than Sony for their APU design.

You didn't answer my question, you just showed info about specs of XBO. Where is PS4 design sheets or scatches?

Where is info on those 7 co procs? Where is info on how different they are from XBO ones?

I bet there is none. But of course, one can dream, right?))

And why do you care anyway, will you love XBO less if it weaker than PS4 or what?



selnor1983 on 03 September 2013
iamdeath said:
selnor1983 said:
Xenostar said:
selnor1983 said:
Xenostar said:
selnor1983 said:
iamdeath said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:
Hope its true. Just wait for etomaz to come here and spin this thing around.....waiting...


There is nothing to spin.............this is a rumour and highly unilkely, all the hardware specs have been officially outlined for ages.

Actually thats not true. Theres about 30 % of Hardware info Microsoft is not saying anything about. It is a fact that there is a NDA on the APU design in Xbo One. Why? Who knows. But this is the 7th rumour on this in 3 weeks. So who knows.

 

On the real side. So far the PS4 dos not have ay game visuals that beat XboX One. ITs only launch I know. Bu if PS4 is relly more powerful, why do Sony feel the need to mention it 500 times a week. Saying look at Killzone etc. Because Forza 5, Ryse and Quantum Break all look at th top for ingame visuals. PS4 is currently leadinng nothing in the graphics department on release. And I expect DF and reviews to support this on launch.


Think youll be dissapointed, after the KI downgrade to 720p, just wonder what other games were bull shitting there capabilities on high end PC's at E3


1. Sony has had not one single game running on finished hardware. Not one. Microsoft on the other hand as had Forza 5, Ryse, Killer Instinct and Dead Rising 3 running on retail Xbox Ones at E3, Gamescom and Pax. Confirmed by more than 5 sources. Including Digital Foundry.

2. There could be numerous reasons as to why certain developers are dropping the resolution. Including running out of time to rewrite code. Noone knows how long developers have had final devkits for either console. 

3. Forza 5 and Killer Instinct are getting praise for being the smoothest games at events like Gamescom and Pax. Sounds like concentrating on 60 fps was massively smart for launch titles. If Killer Instinct sells well, Im sure the next game will be native 1080p and 60 fps, wjilst having even more of tose amazing particle effects they have. The game already looks stunning. Best fighter visuals by a country mile.

4. I think Sony is setting its fans up for disappointment. What happens if this rumour is true? And its unlocked for 2nd wave games. Is possible, and will make Sony PS4 hugely underpowered in comparison.

Telling ya now when those multi platform game comparisons start coming in your gonna be very dissapointed. 

If the rumour is true, then more fool MS for letting pre orders slip away and allowing the mass market to believe thats its the weaker console, it can be hard to turn around mass opinion. 

Plus Sony have shown many games running at 60fps including killzone MP and Infamous Second Son, two genres far more difficult to do that in than a 1 on 1 fighter and a car game. so im not sure what your blithering about saying theres been no evidence of more powerfull hardware. 


Microsoft have shown 3 games in 60 fps. Not sure what you mean. PS3 nearly lost all 3rd party compariosns. But many would have you believe its more powerful.

Since when is FPS all there is  to graphics?

 

This is about PS4, not PS3, what is the point of saying that? PS3 was a poor console for many multiplats welcome to 2007.........................


Because Xbox One has different GPU architecture to PS4. And I was pointing it out to him. He brought that up.



ethomaz on 03 September 2013

selnor1983 said:

Driveclub will get smashed on DF by Forza 5. DF already said in their preview Fora 5 was much better visually and technically.

Before Gamescom... the key here is that things changes for up when you have a more powerful hardware and for down when you have a less powerful hardware.

Forza 5 will play better because the design difference in physics.



ethomaz on 03 September 2013

selnor1983 said:

Because Xbox One has different GPU architecture to PS4. And I was pointing it out to him. He brought that up.

Sorry disappoint you selnor but the rumor is fake.