snyps said:
I know which idea has done the most harm. But Which do you think has done the most good? For clarification... the god of Abraham is the God in Jewish, Christian, and Muslim Holy Books. Yes, It all started with Abraham and his One God. Ppl branched into many directions but it's the same idea. I can't say a lot for christianity.. I read the red print: Christ's own words. I beleive the red words have done a lot of good. But the black print not so much. Especially when you consider all the jewish, muslim, chistian wars and other acts christ would not have been kool with.
Karma is, I think, better. You do good because you want good things to happen to you. You don't cause harm for the same reason. When some one screws you, and not in a good way, you let the world sort it out.
What are your thoughts? God of Abraham or Karma?
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I think your suffering perspective bias... generally shown from your "I know which has done more harm" comments.
As their has actually been a LOT of nasty shit done by people who follow the "Kharma" religions. You just don't hear about it because you are from the East and don't have much of a background in Eastern history.
For example, Buddist monks have often been militirized to act as Gestapo like thought police squads mostly targeting communists and muslims.
They've also become prone to terrorism lately. The Aum Shinrikyo come to mind. You may remember them from such acts as unleashing Sarin Gas in a crowdded train station.
The Hinduists in India have been prone to huge ethinic cleansing like riots.
Kharma is far more complex then you portray it, much like Abrhamic religions. I mean, arbitrary rules? Ever look at the Buddist Monastic code?
That said the main problem with believing that good things will always happen to people who do good deeds, is to make those who do good and do their best, yet reap nothing but negativeness a feeling that they themselves are actually "Bad." Been a good person your whole life but always be poor, struggling and have cancer? Well clearly the "good" stuff you did must have actually been bad. Making other people feel bad by being too good? Making people dependent? Who knows how.
While those who have nothing but good things happen to them? Clearly what they are doing is actually right. By not giving to charity they are in fact helping people learn on their own. Etc. Afterall, they are clearly being rewarded.
Essentially, people will just look at those most succesful and happy in life, and that will decide what is just.
Which can be problematic. Kharma as a belief system really only works if Kharma exists AND is eaisly demonstraitable.
A clear set of ethics where ultimate judgement reserved until death? It's not as flexiable and may have problems due to changing culture... but as long as the message is mostly good, it will do mostly good.
Of course, even that less flexibleness isn't as negative as you'd think. Afterall, look at the world. Abraham religions have their issues with gay rights and stuff like that... yet... it's not like the Kharmic religions are leading the way in gay rights. In fact, it's the exact opposite. Ask the Dhali Lama and he'll tell you that gay marriage and gay sex is wrong.
People (including me) may have issues with the Catholic Church, but it's by far the biggest charity orginization in the world. Catholics alone likely dwarf the Kharmic Religions if we're talking "Just good deeds done."
From the most scientific perspective, being more active with charity is shown to greatly increase ones charitable giving patterns (even when taking out charity done through the churches). I don't believe a similar study has been done focusing on Kharmic religions. If there was, it would be easiest to measure.