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Final-Fan on 09 February 2008

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CrashMan on 09 February 2008

Interesting calculation I just did fo Noah's arc:

approx 10 billion species of animals.

At an average rate of collecting and loading of 1 species/second (VERY generous in my opinion) we have 10 billion seconds

10 billion seconds = 166666667 mins
= 2777778 hours
= 115741 days
= 317 years

Take the dimensions of the arc: 450 ft x 75 ft x 45 fx a volume of 1518750 cubic feet (if it was perfectly rectangular.)

EDIT : oops math error >_<


with 2 of each species and NO food, that leaves each animal having only 0.13122 cubic inches of space.

Not to mention the mass of water displaced would be MUCH less than the mass of all the animals, causing the boat to sink.


How can any one claim this is possible? Apparently 2/3 of all americans feel the story is LITERALLY true.



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Kasz216 on 09 February 2008
CrashMan said:
Interesting calculation I just did fo Noah's arc:

approx 10 billion species of animals.

At an average rate of collecting and loading of 1 species/second (VERY generous in my opinion) we have 10 billion seconds

10 billion seconds = 166666667 mins
= 2777778 hours
= 115741 days
= 317 years

Take the dimensions of the arc: 450 ft x 75 ft x 45 fx a volume of 1518750 cubic feet (if it was perfectly rectangular.)

with 2 of each species and NO food, that leaves each animal having only 0.00091125 cubic inches of space.

Not to mention the mass of water displaced would be MUCH less than the mass of all the animals, causing the boat to sink.


How can any one claim this is possible? Apparently 2/3 of all americans feel the story is LITERALLY true.

 

2/3rds of all Americans? As far as I know, most christians... (all but the really right wing evangelicals) thing the bible isn't literal in just about every story not involving Jesus or Moses. I don't think even the pope thinks everything in the bible is literal. In fact i know he doesn't. Since he's called people who don't believe in evolution idiots.

That would at least seem to take the "Adam and Eve" story out of the "happened exactly as written" thing... and he's the freakin pope. 



CrashMan on 09 February 2008

Oops, 60 - 64%, not 2/3, still...

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/US/views_of_bible_poll_040216.html

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/292818.aspx



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Kasz216 on 09 February 2008
CrashMan said:

Oops, 60 - 64%, not 2/3, still...

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/US/views_of_bible_poll_040216.html

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/292818.aspx


That would be 6 out of 10 christians in america... it's just 6 out of the 10 they've asked who've responded.

The thing is... you ask someone to do a survey about religion... the people who are going to say "Ok" are going to be the fringe people.

It's like if someone asks you to answer a survey about animal rights. The average person doesn't believe in dog fights but the average person also doesn't feel like answeing a survey. The only people who are going to answer a survey are the over the top PETA type people.

Ask someone a survey about religion and most of the people who are going to answer are going to be the over the top i love to talk about my religion to everyone people.

In other words, that's the kind of survey that tends to have some serious selection bias unless you offer incentive to go along.

Also, what's with people with No Religion thinking that storys in the bible were literally true.  How can you believe got parted the red sea... yet not believe in god?



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CrashMan on 09 February 2008

^while that is true, its still quite a large amount of the population that responded positively...



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cool48 on 09 February 2008

Well I believe in God.



Kasz216 on 09 February 2008
CrashMan said:
^while that is true, its still quite a large amount of the population that responded positively...

According to this poll... 24% of people who don't believe in god, believe god created the universe.

By the way you are reading this poll anyway. That seems... outright silly.



fkusumot on 09 February 2008

Look, I can't prove the non-existence of god. You'll just have to take it on faith.


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JustinUK on 09 February 2008
CrashMan said:

Interesting calculation I just did fo Noah's arc:

approx 10 billion species of animals.

At an average rate of collecting and loading of 1 species/second (VERY generous in my opinion) we have 10 billion seconds

10 billion seconds = 166666667 mins
= 2777778 hours
= 115741 days
= 317 years

Take the dimensions of the arc: 450 ft x 75 ft x 45 fx a volume of 1518750 cubic feet (if it was perfectly rectangular.)

EDIT : oops math error >_<


with 2 of each species and NO food, that leaves each animal having only 0.13122 cubic inches of space.

Not to mention the mass of water displaced would be MUCH less than the mass of all the animals, causing the boat to sink.


How can any one claim this is possible? Apparently 2/3 of all americans feel the story is LITERALLY true.


Did you factor in dinosaurs being on the Ark into your calculations? Some creationists believe that dinosaurs were taken onto the Ark too. 2 Brachiosaurs would certainly have made things a little cramped.