^ What is that from?

 It's ee cummings. The Buffalo Bill poem.

All the recent threads on religion on my 2 gaming sites has inspired me to start reading the shelf full of atheist books the other half has bought. I didn't think they'd be able to write so many books on the subject.

Anyone Agnostic here?

Explain the defeniton? I am assuming that it´s the same as the greek word.

Its basically means you don't know, and feel like you can't know if god exists.

I place myself currently between agnostic and athiest.

Yes, that is what i thought and it is ecacly as the greek meaning of the word.

I used to be atheist hardcore but as time goes by and as I learn more about the world and Universe I am now also between agniostic and atheist but leaning more to the agnostic side of things.

I come from two countries with very big religious background and as the only one in my family being agnostic/atheist i am getting a lot of praying my way since they firmly belive I am going to hell for not acknowledging GOD.

I have a relative sending me all these books and movies about how to prove gods existence scientifically or through the procedures of a lawyer. They are all either tedious or just silly.

This book sucks ass, but I'm linking to it anyway, just so you get what kind of books I'm talking about:

http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Have-Enough-Faith-Atheist/dp/1581345615

Im tired of the stupid City on the Hill mentality, sice ALL other religions could use the same fucked up reasoning to bend facts to their advantage.

Since when are people allowed to present 'proof' by stating they understand specific religions? LOL

Some, meaning the one I follow, does NOT believe others will go to hell just for kicks - nor Muslims, Hindus or anyone else - it's lifestyle over religion, repent over absolute belief, knowing of sin over ignorance of sin.

Most debates like this stem from lack of knowledge or refusal to believe that some religions do make sense once followed and actively learned, not ASSumed to think a way that makes them look worse.

Amazing quote from one of the reviews of "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist "

Geisler offers the following hypothetical situation early in his book. "Suppose you were to die today and found yourself standing before God, who asked you `Why should I let you into my heaven?' What would your response be?"
Here is what mine would be:
"God, all throughout my life I listened to a number of people made certain claims about you. They claimed that you cursed the entire human race because their first ancestors ate a piece of fruit. They claimed that you drowned all the people on the earth, except for one family whom you packed in a relatively small boat with all the members of the animal species. They claimed that all the different languages of the world came about because you wanted to stop some pre-industrial people from building a tower. They claimed that you sent bears to devour a group of children for making fun of a man's baldness. They claimed that you ordered your chosen people on genocidal campaigns of slaughter, plunder, rapine and slave-taking against those you deemed to be their enemies (usually because they worshipped you under a different name). They claimed you ordered all the Amalekites (including women and children) massacred for a 400-year-old offense. They claimed you exterminated 70,000 Isrealites for the unspeakable crime of being counted in a census. They claimed that for a time you lived within a little box, and that when one of your followers tried to steady the box to keep it from falling off the back of the oxen that were carrying it, you showed your gratitude by striking him dead. They claimed that you condemn all human souls after their deaths to eternal torment unless they fail to gratify your vanity by professing belief in you. They claimed that those wishing to demonstrate such fidelity to you could do so by accepting the sacrifice of your only begotten son, an innocent who was killed to satisfy your own requirement that there can be no redemption of sin without bloodshed."
"God, I am proud to say that, whenever I heard one of these outrageous lies and slanders against your name, I always vehemently denied them."