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Shinobi-san said:
bananaking21 said:
can somebody explain what the fuck is going on around here?

Absolutely nothing.

All that should be happening here is that people should accept the leaked hardware as fact now. Given that this is the first time MS has confirmed the numbers.

There was also a completely inaccurate post about how Sony lied and MS really has 5tflops of performance in its console....or something like that.

The guy who made up the rumour has admitted he was wrong, but people on Vgc seem to still believe him....not sure why though o.O

Anyways move right along nothing new here. Although seem people want to believe that there is.

Also the specs are NOT better than what was rumoured. People still seem to be adding up the bandwidth willy nilly, when in reality no two parts of the Xbone system has 200+ GB/s bandiwidth between them. All spin. All day.

I also read somewhere in this thread that PS4 has 3.2tflops of performance overall...again more bullshit.

Its amazing how technology illiterate the VGC community is. Threads like these just prove it.

There is nothing spin about that part.  Memory is always calculated as a total of its read and write capabilities if it can be performed at the same time.  Since this was stated at the hot chips event, I am sure MS would have been called out on it.  So peak performance of the ESram is 200GB/s 

The 3.2TF was the combined GPU and CPU together.  The 1.8TF is just the GPU alone.  I have not attempted to do the calculations but most times its a system total calculations that is measured instead of just the GPU.  Anyway, who cares, all of this was an interesting fun read.



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nightsurge said:

That's not the supposed insider. That's just someone commenting.

Not bull, not confirmed.

But nice try and linking to an incorrect post out of context to trick people?

Please, stop with the bullshit... the guy is just wrong... MS itself showed that today.



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Machiavellian said:
Shinobi-san said:
bananaking21 said:
can somebody explain what the fuck is going on around here?

Absolutely nothing.

All that should be happening here is that people should accept the leaked hardware as fact now. Given that this is the first time MS has confirmed the numbers.

There was also a completely inaccurate post about how Sony lied and MS really has 5tflops of performance in its console....or something like that.

The guy who made up the rumour has admitted he was wrong, but people on Vgc seem to still believe him....not sure why though o.O

Anyways move right along nothing new here. Although seem people want to believe that there is.

Also the specs are NOT better than what was rumoured. People still seem to be adding up the bandwidth willy nilly, when in reality no two parts of the Xbone system has 200+ GB/s bandiwidth between them. All spin. All day.

I also read somewhere in this thread that PS4 has 3.2tflops of performance overall...again more bullshit.

Its amazing how technology illiterate the VGC community is. Threads like these just prove it.

There is nothing spin about that part.  Memory is always calculated as a total of its read and write capabilities if it can be performed at the same time.  Since this was stated at the hot chips event, I am sure MS would have been called out on it.  So peak performance of the ESram is 200GB/s 

The 3.2TF was the combined GPU and CPU together.  The 1.8TF is just the GPU alone.  I have not attempted to do the calculations but most times its a system total calculations that is measured instead of just the GPU.  Anyway, who cares, all of this was an interesting fun read.

Apologies i was wrong. 204 is indeed the correct number. I was getting confused between that and the 270 number that was going around in other threads! Which basically someone went and added the bandwidth of the ESRAM and DDR3 ram. Which is incorrect.

As far as I know the PS4 CPU does not even have 1TF of compute performance? Was this not confirmed to be ~200GFlops?



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ethomaz said:

nightsurge said:

That's not the supposed insider. That's just someone commenting.

Not bull, not confirmed.

But nice try and linking to an incorrect post out of context to trick people?

Please, stop with the bullshit... the guy is just wrong... MS itself showed that today.

Nope, not at all. Please quit trying to get people to believe what you so desperately want to believe.

I myself have admitted the insider's prophecy is a farcry from being true, but at least I am not quoting incorrect sources to try and prove my point. Also, nothing MS revealed today excludes what the insider said. And if you really think MS would reveal all details about their system, you are really delusional. According to the insider there are NDA's in place, very very severe ones, until September 29th, so lets just give it a wait and see?

It is still a long shot and then some, but just because you are trying to say it is false, does not make it so.  



nightsurge said:

Nope, not at all. Please quit trying to get people to believe what you so desperately want to believe.

I myself have admitted the insider's prophecy is a farcry from being true, but at least I am not quoting incorrect sources to try and prove my point. Also, nothing MS revealed today excludes what the insider said. And if you really think MS would reveal all details about their system, you are really delusional. According to the insider there are NDA's in place, very very severe ones, until September 29th, so lets just give it a wait and see?

It is still a long shot and then some, but just because you are trying to say it is false, does not make it so.  

Just stop please... it is getting shameful.



August 26, 2013, 2:54 PM — Microsoft's upcoming Xbox One gaming console will contain a custom chip the company designed in conjunction with Advanced Micro Devices with the aim of delivering maximum graphics performance, presenters said Monday at Microsoft's Hot Chips conference.

The high-performance, low-power chip has specialized processors beyond the CPU and GPU to handle tasks such as audio processing, video decode and encode and other small game characteristics. The system has 5 billion transistors, and uses an eight-core AMD CPU code-named Jaguar, which is also being used in the Sony's upcoming PlayStation 4. The graphics processor is a Radeon GPU that has been customized for the Xbox One, Microsoft presenters said at the conference in Stanford, California."Almost every aspect has been customized," said John Sell, a hardware architect at Microsoft.The Xbox One system chip also has 500GB of storage, 8GB of DDR3 memory and 47MB of on-die storage that could act as cache, where information will be stored temporarily. The GPU can provide more than a teraflop of peak performance.AMD's x86 CPUs are based on the Jaguar core, which was introduced for PCs, laptops and servers last year. The eight CPU cores are broken into clusters of four cores with a total of 4MB of L2 cache.

"We've made some alterations to the CPU clusters to support coherent bandwidth between clusters...and other processors," Sell said.

The graphics processor supports DirectX 11.1, which is Microsoft's graphics engine that will power games. Microsoft calls the engine 1-plus, a reference to unique control processor features for custom graphics and processing in the Xbox graphics core. "These have been customized to significantly reduce the amount of time, the amount of work, that the CPU has to spend when assembling graphics commands," Sell said. One unique aspect of the chip is a shared memory pool that can be accessed by CPUs, GPUs and other processors in the system. Typically, GPUs and CPUs have different memory systems, but the new features increase the overall addressable memory in the Xbox One. The GPUs and CPUs have also been modified to enable shared memory.Shared memory is also part of a specification being pushed by the HSA Foundation, which wants to blur the line between GPU and CPU memory to make programming easier. AMD is one of the founding members of the HSA Foundation, though Sony is also a member, which suggests that shared memory may also be part of PlayStation 4.

"We can let developers have access to direct programming on GPU without a lot of overhead," Sell said.

Overall, the system has been designed to balance bandwidth with the power requirements.

"An important aspect of that is letting CPU and GPU share memory spaces," Sell said.The coherency connections are a derivative of AMD's years-old HyperTransport technology. The bandwidth can sustain data transfers of 30GB per seconds. However, the data transfers vary depending on the component and also the distance between parts.The chip will be made by Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC) using the 28-nm process, Sell said.

The move to x86 architecture is a big jump for Microsoft, which used a chip based on the Power architecture in its Xbox 360. Sony's PlayStation 4 is also built on x86 chips from AMD. The Xbox One is due for release later this year.Microsoft also shared some details about the Kinect camera, which will come with the Xbox One. The "depth" camera shoots 1080p high-definition video at 30 frames per second, said Patrick O'Connor, senior director of engineering at Microsoft."It will enable lively game play," O'Connor said, also adding that Microsoft wants the camera to work in small and large rooms, and cover up to six players.One new feature is a 3-D depth sensor, which uses the speed of light to measure movement, location and the number of objects in a room."This translates into accuracy in measuring distance and low latency." O'Connor said.

A tiny generator clocks a "specialized pixel" and the light source. A light signal from the camera bounces off objects being photographed to determine the distance between them and the camera.

http://www.itworld.com/hardware/370538/xbox-one-will-have-high-performance-custom-chip?page=0,0



ethomaz said:

nightsurge said:

Nope, not at all. Please quit trying to get people to believe what you so desperately want to believe.

I myself have admitted the insider's prophecy is a farcry from being true, but at least I am not quoting incorrect sources to try and prove my point. Also, nothing MS revealed today excludes what the insider said. And if you really think MS would reveal all details about their system, you are really delusional. According to the insider there are NDA's in place, very very severe ones, until September 29th, so lets just give it a wait and see?

It is still a long shot and then some, but just because you are trying to say it is false, does not make it so.  

Just stop please... it is getting shameful.

Shameful is exactly the word I would use to describe your attempts to put off this information without any credible reason why.



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