I agree, 11/12/13 does look nice. What would look better is 11/1/13 (I dream ocassionally lol)

if 11/12/13
in the EU it will be 11-dec-13
I don't think anyone wants that.

Ms is running out of events to announce it. Do they even know when they are launching? Its in 2 months

like they need an event to announce it.... we'll have enough doritos, mountain dew, NFL, straight XB1 and kinect, smartglass adverstising and marketing around launch window.... so much that even my grandma in her retirement home will be aware of the launch date....

Late November then.

Id laugh if its the same day as the PS4 xD

Not everyone is going to preorder with the lack of info on release date. Unless ms cant meet demand already its in their best interest to tell people now when their console will release to snag those preorders. Get the news out. Get people out to get theirs as soon as possible. Going "oh btw... the x1 is in stores now. Go pick yours up today" and someone goes to buy one and finds out there is none. But maybe that person at gamestop will do their job and suggest a ps4 or wii u

preorders will be sold out anyways.... and apparently that's what you are saying too.... so no matter what if A gets it and B wants it their will still be only X amount to pre order... if it caps out it caps out no matter what.. it's a finit number.... and marketing for the XB won't start the day of launch.... but by the time novembre will get close you will have so much ad for VG (PS and XB) that unless you live in a tribe in amazonia... you will know

Preorders will be sold out because thats how much stock ms will allocate to the store. If they get more preorders fhey can try to send a bigger supply. Prevent not cure type of deal here.

i think theyll host a event of there own to annouce it plus a na bundle  sicne it would be stupid to annouce it at tgs lol