True, but then again people cannot buy a Move controller, free game and a PSeye for cheaper but I guess its how you look at it.

Yes you can

If only MS could give the use market a little love and release BF4 for all new X1 order. Now that would be a pack in game that could turn some Preorders., especially if BF4 ends up being the definitive addition on the X1 like some rumors have stated.

No you cannot.  Its an 80 pound difference between the Ps4 and X1.

The DS4 acts as a wand and the pseye does not cost 80euro (niether does a pseye, wand, and game bundle)and if you think ms will be the only one with a pack in then i dont know what to tell you.

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LOL I didn't plan to comment on this one but you got me there.... there is nothing desperate in business on a product that is not even launched yet..... this thread has been laughable of irrationality.... XB1 the XB brand and MS will do just fine come this holliday season... and MS success in the VG industry will keep its course... there is absolutely no doubt about it.... mark my words 7/8 years from now the XB1 will have more unit sold than the 360 has of today....

No matter what relationship EA has with Microsoft its a businesses I highly doubt EA would just give Microsoft one of there biggest franchises to MS just for a couple of cloud severs. I imagine MS had to pay a hefty amount of money to pull this off. Perhaps they made a deal like EA makes more money off of each of there games sold on Xbox one then before ( example they made 40% of each game sold now they get 60% or something like that. ) MS had to do something major to get EA to do this, if the free game is Fifa.

It's definitely a good incentive if you're a fan of FIFA and Xbox, I'm not a fan of FIFA or the higher price though, and i'm not from Europe, so this matters little to me.

MS is getting a lot of from EA for next Gen, Hope it pays up.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/sonys-playstation-4-eye-is-a-59-add-on-ps4-packs-a-500gb-hdd/

So if the PSeye 4 add on is 59 dollars and MS gives you a 60 dollar game, then I would believe that the X1 with pack in game and Kinect is cheaper.

As for using the DS4 as a wand, There is a reason why Sony did not use the DS3 design for the move.  Its a very clumsy design to operate in that manner. Using 2 hands for a wand type of setup is not going to make the experience one you want to use often.

As for if MS will be the only one with a pack in game, unless Sony respond then yes thats what it is.  Do you think such moves can be countered at a moment notice.  Do you think with preorders already doing well for Sony they even thought they needed to go this route.  For Sony to counter this move and include a pack in, they would need to take another hit to their pockets which isn't something they even need to do at this stage.  I doubt they will pack in one of their games because it would kill that as a revenue stream.

So no, I do not think Sony will counter.  I do not think Sony needs to.  Right now MS is the one behind and they need to win over EU more than Sony needs to block this move.   At this point, MS has the money to make such moves and they are in a position of weakness.  If the CBOAT rumor is true it appears MS is trying to get multiple exclusive type deals in every major market.  I am hoping they do not forget about NA.