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NobleTeam360 said:
Huh I thought a lot of people had PS Plus. Those are some very low subscription numbers, I would've thought PS Plus had around 5-7 million subscribers at least.

What do you mean?  No subscription numbers were announced, were they? 



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two things:
- i hope sony gives concrete numbers for ps+ some day. subscription numbers.
- i hope the value doesn't go down because much more people will be forced to get it.

a third thing:
i'd much prefer following:
- online services: 3$/month
- ps plus instant game collection: 4$/month
- both: 6$/month

or something like that...



must-have-list for platforms i don't own yet:

WiiU: Donkey Kong

XBone: Dead Rising 3, Ryse

pokoko said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Huh I thought a lot of people had PS Plus. Those are some very low subscription numbers, I would've thought PS Plus had around 5-7 million subscribers at least.

What do you mean?  No subscription numbers were announced, were they? 

Basic math based on the approximate revenue generated gives us a rough estimate of 2.8 million suscribers.

Personally, that seems spot on when it's an optional feature, marketed to a userbase that prides itself on free multiplayer.

That and the service is only a couple years old.



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sales2099 said:
So for 2012, $140 million divided by $50 = 2 800 000 suscribers

Im surprised the number is that low........it is going to be a tough battle convincing a userbase who is used to playing free online to adopt the Xbox Live model, free games or no free games.

I somehow feel any poster who argues the merits of PS Plus loses credibility from this point....since the majority of PS3 users clearly don't see the merits themselves.

 Wasn't online multiplayer through XBL free though on the original Xbox? Even so, XBL Gold on 360 was still a success, so why can't Sony do the same? Especially when they show peole all the benefits of having PS + beyond just being able to play multiplayer online.

Also, Sony's model is still a lot more than free than M$'s seeing as 1) You still have access to all other PSN features, apps, and F2P titles, and 2) it's still cheaper. Mabye some won't come around at first, but eventually the model will settle in.





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Finally we have some real numbers to use.
So if we assume these numbers are correct then there are nearly 21 million Xbox Live Gold members which is ok.

I really thought PS Plus would be much more popular than that.
Sony has been silly to not be charging for online for all these years. They could have made billions like MS and might have actually made the PS3 recover its losses.



    

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BinaryDelt said:
dsgrue3 said:

The substantivity was not solely monetarily.

You think people will not buy a console due to principle? This isn't a movie, this is the real world. If consumers want something, they will buy it regardless if it goes against their principles. 

I still think there is no reason to pay for online if it's p2p, that's why dedicated servers for XBO and PS4 are VITAL. XBO will have the advantage here with a solid foundation for providing a dedicated experience if the devs want it. 

It's funny that you argue that people won't know about the paywall going in, but if I asked if you knew about the XBL paywall going into purchasing a 360 I think you'd be singing a different tune. 

Just classic hypocrisy. I'm used to it here.

Just responding to your statement about consumers buying things regardless of their principles.  I disagree.  There are a lot of things I don't buy due to principle, regardless of whether I want it or not.

I never understand why people respond to this argument with personal anecdotes. 

You're aware of the atrocities at Foxconn, who supply apple products? Has it damaged sales in any way?

You may be someone who does stand on principle. This is not the norm. You're in the extreme minority. 

sales2099 said:
dsgrue3 said:

The substantivity was not solely monetarily.

You think people will not buy a console due to principle? This isn't a movie, this is the real world. If consumers want something, they will buy it regardless if it goes against their principles. 

I still think there is no reason to pay for online if it's p2p, that's why dedicated servers for XBO and PS4 are VITAL. XBO will have the advantage here with a solid foundation for providing a dedicated experience if the devs want it. 

It's funny that you argue that people won't know about the paywall going in, but if I asked if you knew about the XBL paywall going into purchasing a 360 I think you'd be singing a different tune. 

Just classic hypocrisy. I'm used to it here.

Like I said, they will have to chose between principle and games....and games will win out. But by no means will the transition be like the snap of a finger. That was my point.

Your 360 line is a bit confusing, because I allready said that a Xbox gamer is used to the idea, but to a PS gamer the idea is still in the process of being embraced.

Its less hypocrisy and more of a cultural difference between Xbox and PS gamers, IMO.

It will be a snap. With PS360 there was an option to buy a console that didn't charge.

The option isn't there anymore. Or, it's at least less prevalent. (Wii U)

I'm not sure how you missed my point, but I'll repeat it. When you went to purchase a 360, did you or did you not realize that multiplayer gaming would be charged? It's not some big secret and it didn't seem to stop many from making the purchase. Same scenario here with PS4, but to a lesser extent because their competition is doing the same thing.



NobleTeam360 said:

Yeah they do, I was under that impression for the longest time just to find out not very many have the service at all. 

I thought the same. I expected there to be at least 8 million subscribers. And they probably aren't profiting from it that much since they are giving free games. 



    

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DialgaMarine said:
sales2099 said:
So for 2012, $140 million divided by $50 = 2 800 000 suscribers

Im surprised the number is that low........it is going to be a tough battle convincing a userbase who is used to playing free online to adopt the Xbox Live model, free games or no free games.

I somehow feel any poster who argues the merits of PS Plus loses credibility from this point....since the majority of PS3 users clearly don't see the merits themselves.

 Wasn't online multiplayer through XBL free though on the original Xbox? Even so, XBL Gold on 360 was still a success, so why can't Sony do the same? Especially when they show peole all the benefits of having PS + beyond just being able to play multiplayer online.

Also, Sony's model is still a lot more than free than M$'s seeing as 1) You still have access to all other PSN features, apps, and F2P titles, and 2) it's still cheaper. Mabye some won't come around at first, but eventually the model will settle in.



Even Xbox origional had a paywall introduced with Xbox Live. It was actually going to fail, until Halo 2 literally saved it.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

dsgrue3 said:
BinaryDelt said:
dsgrue3 said:

The substantivity was not solely monetarily.

You think people will not buy a console due to principle? This isn't a movie, this is the real world. If consumers want something, they will buy it regardless if it goes against their principles. 

I still think there is no reason to pay for online if it's p2p, that's why dedicated servers for XBO and PS4 are VITAL. XBO will have the advantage here with a solid foundation for providing a dedicated experience if the devs want it. 

It's funny that you argue that people won't know about the paywall going in, but if I asked if you knew about the XBL paywall going into purchasing a 360 I think you'd be singing a different tune. 

Just classic hypocrisy. I'm used to it here.

Just responding to your statement about consumers buying things regardless of their principles.  I disagree.  There are a lot of things I don't buy due to principle, regardless of whether I want it or not.

sales2099 said:

Like I said, they will have to chose between principle and games....and games will win out. But by no means will the transition be like the snap of a finger. That was my point.

Your 360 line is a bit confusing, because I allready said that a Xbox gamer is used to the idea, but to a PS gamer the idea is still in the process of being embraced.

Its less hypocrisy and more of a cultural difference between Xbox and PS gamers, IMO.

It will be a snap. With PS360 there was an option to buy a console that didn't charge.

The option isn't there anymore. Or, it's at least less prevalent. (Wii U)

I'm not sure how you missed my point, but I'll repeat it. When you went to purchase a 360, did you or did you not realize that multiplayer gaming would be charged? It's not some big secret and it didn't seem to stop many from making the purchase. Same scenario here with PS4, but to a lesser extent because their competition is doing the same thing.

You don't know if it will be a snap. To me anyway, it doesn't matter if there isn't a choice anymore since both do it, for a PS gamer who exclusively plays on PS consoles, it is a change and there will be a transition phase. But I guess we will wait and see.

When I went to purchase a 360, I knew and expected it because the predesessor did it. PS3 as it stands was free and still is, as PS Plus is optional.

So it isn't quite the same scenario with PS4, as PS3 is optional, and yet PS4 is mandatory, where as Xbox was always mandatory. That was my point.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
pokoko said:

What do you mean?  No subscription numbers were announced, were they? 

Basic math based on the approximate revenue generated gives us a rough estimate of 2.8 million suscribers.

Personally, that seems spot on when it's an optional feature, marketed to a userbase that prides itself on free multiplayer.

That and the service is only a couple years old.

No, that math doesn't work when you consider that PS+ doubled subscribers after E3.  Actually, even beyond that, PS+ membership likely spiked again at the end of the year.  Because of that, even though membership more than doubled, it's mostly going to be back heavy, with the average contribution from most members being way under the yearly amount.  Your figure will only give us the least members possible and is probaby way off the actual number.

Also, a LOT of people got a free month or more during the holiday season when they bought a PS3 or Vita.  That's what I did.  So, even though I became a member in 2012, I didn't pay until 2013.