No, that doesn't make any sense, especially considering PS+ membership "nearly doubled" after E3.

It would be hard for me to argue against PS+, considering I'm already a member.   Clearly, I thought it had value even before it became a multi-player pay-gate.  Even then, my two biggest complaints about Gold have always been that putting video/non-gaming services behind a pay-gate is bad and that the service offers no intrinsic value beyond what it takes away in the first place.

I don't really like multi-player being gated off but as long as they make it worthwhile, I can't complain all that much.  I mean, seriously, I like what PS+ brings to the table even without multi-player and I would have kept subscribing regardless.

The substantivity was not solely monetarily.

You think people will not buy a console due to principle? This isn't a movie, this is the real world. If consumers want something, they will buy it regardless if it goes against their principles. 

I still think there is no reason to pay for online if it's p2p, that's why dedicated servers for XBO and PS4 are VITAL. XBO will have the advantage here with a solid foundation for providing a dedicated experience if the devs want it. 

It's funny that you argue that people won't know about the paywall going in, but if I asked if you knew about the XBL paywall going into purchasing a 360 I think you'd be singing a different tune. 

Just classic hypocrisy. I'm used to it here.

It is? Seems extremely low. Thats only like 3-4% of the userbase of PS3, and it could be less when adding in Vita. Xbox Live is closer to 30-40% I believe.

Just goes to show the Sony dominated internet is once again a flawed view of reality. Sony fans online make it seem like everyone has PS+.

Like I said, they will have to chose between principle and games....and games will win out. But by no means will the transition be like the snap of a finger. That was my point.

Your 360 line is a bit confusing, because I allready said that a Xbox gamer is used to the idea, but to a PS gamer the idea is still in the process of being embraced.

Its less hypocrisy and more of a cultural difference between Xbox and PS gamers, IMO.

I almost believed this for a while, I must admit. And thats me talking lol

All I know is everybody wins, because with PlayStation Plus, I feel like I'm stealing. The value is incredible.

I find the numbers good considering that nobody really needed it. PS+ didn't really take-off until mid 2012 when the "Instant game library" started.

Just responding to your statement about consumers buying things regardless of their principles.  I disagree.  There are a lot of things I don't buy due to principle, regardless of whether I want it or not.

Huh I thought a lot of people had PS Plus. Those are some very low subscription numbers, I would've thought PS Plus had around 5-7 million subscribers at least.

Yeah they do, I was under that impression for the longest time just to find out not very many have the service at all.