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dsgrue3 said:

The substantivity was not solely monetarily.

You think people will not buy a console due to principle? This isn't a movie, this is the real world. If consumers want something, they will buy it regardless if it goes against their principles. 

I still think there is no reason to pay for online if it's p2p, that's why dedicated servers for XBO and PS4 are VITAL. XBO will have the advantage here with a solid foundation for providing a dedicated experience if the devs want it. 

It's funny that you argue that people won't know about the paywall going in, but if I asked if you knew about the XBL paywall going into purchasing a 360 I think you'd be singing a different tune. 

Just classic hypocrisy. I'm used to it here.

Just responding to your statement about consumers buying things regardless of their principles.  I disagree.  There are a lot of things I don't buy due to principle, regardless of whether I want it or not.