What I'm trying to say is yes of course you can just keep cutting back on the graphics, but that's not the way it works, if the game looks like crap no one will even consider buying it.  What I'm asking is what games can still run on current gen and keep the standard for graphics established for this gen.  I don't think FF15 can do that,if it was on this gen with the same gameplay it has on PS4 it was look like crap and I think Ryse can because there is nothing really demanding about it besides its graphics.  Hope that clears things up.

Have you even seen Titanfall?

Enough said.

You just have to look at the gameplay of Versus 13 and FF15 and you will see the obvious differences.  If these large scale battles were in Versus 13 then they would hae showed them off and got people hyped about the game, not kept them secret.

Would you agree that Artsyle/Graphics and gameplay goes hand in hand? http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=165448&page=1

I understand your point and all so no need to clear anything up.  We are making two different points.  You are saying that FFXV would suffer if it would be on current gen where as games like InFamous and Metal Gear Solid V would not suffer at all.  but you are missing that the power of the new consoles has allowed them to achieve what they have been able to.

Graphics goes hand and hand with the gameplay.  It makes them more immersive which is something software and hardware developers have been striving to do for decades.  

Just like FFXIII was not possible on PS2 without having it suffering the same could be said about FFXV.  And just like Metal Gear Solid 4 could not be played on PS2neither will MGS5.  

The gameplay would be relatively the same.  A few cut feautures like worst Artificial Intelligence, worst physics, etc but even the large scale games are capable on inferior hardware.  Xenoblade, Shadow of Collosus, and Grand Theft Auto Vice City can be a few examples.

Or you can use an example like Gran Turismo 3 vs Gran Turismo 5.  The gameplay is relatively the same but one thing that truly sets them apart is the immersion.

Dude. I would love to see the Next gen version and current gen footage. No offense to Japanese companies but rarely do I see them scaling down very much.

FF 13 Verus gameplay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZDH_cRotFw

FF 15 gameplay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBilT83Uq4A

There you go.

Those are just two different builds from two different years. Even the 2013 version isnt finished, but it is showing what you'll essentially get on whichever platform you buy it for. This isn't Skyrim, The Witcher 2 or Battlefield 3. All three of those games were scaled down to fit the current gen consoles from their native PC versions.

The "build" for FF15 is not possible on current gen consoles while still keeping that graphical standard set for current gen consoles.  That is what I am trying to say.  Also there is no PS3 version anymore you know, that got cancelled and its only on PS4 and X1 now.

We'll see when Square Enix finally tells us something about the game. That was just a general video, not a next gen showing. The game was fundamentally prepped for current gen PS3. The only leap we'll see which I am pretty much sure from the videos is graphics. 

The PS3 build looked a lot more linear and the battles were on a much smaller scale, isn't that kinda obvious?  Also the game is confirmed to only be for PS4 and X1.