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pokoko on 14 August 2013
happydolphin said:

@bold. And do you blame them?? I would fuck Sony over too, quite eagerly, had they pulled off a move like that on me.

Holy fucking cats indeed.

If anyone deserved bad karma for it, it was Sony. They pulled a fast one on Nintendo, Nintendo got fucked, yet after all these years Sony still can't beat them. So who's the loser after all?

Hopefully it's the one who deserves it, and in this case, it's Sony. If anything's fishy with anything it's your reasoning.

And it wasn't years later, it was more like months later, maybe a year's crossed. But the thing was a hidden clause which required a lawyer to unearth, otherwise Nintendo would never have agreed to the contract, knowing Nintendo. I mean, for those who know Nintendo historically speaking. They don't treat the right to their fucking IPs lightly.

Then how the fuck did they miss that?  If they are so protective, how do the approve that agreement and then not notice it for years?  How can it be a "fast one" if it was there from the very beginning?  If they DID NOT have a team of lawyers analyze ANY contract then they are morons, plain and simple.  You don't just miss a "hidden clause" that gives away the rights to your property.

This isn't adding up whatsoever.

Actually, the more I look into it, the more this "hidden clause" thing seems like nonsense.

 



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Anfebious on 14 August 2013
Zero999 said:
Anfebious said:
Zero999 said:
Anfebious said:

It's thievery if Sony does it but when Nintendo took control of Cartrdirge manufacturing in the NES era and forced third party to sign a contract full of restrictions to make games on the system it was perfectly fine.

You know I think both of them are ridiculous if you ask me .

nintendo has the right to do any policies they want on THEIR console, bad as they were. sony making a partnership with another company and stealthly including on the contract that it has full rights for the games released on the pheriferal, that's kinda unethical.

As Pokoko said above. They had a lot of time to analyze the contract it sounds kind of fishy they never stoped the project until te very end.

the point was about him defending sony's contract terms by using nintendo policies for their OWN platforms. and those things are simply not related.

Nitendo and Sony made a contract. They where going to do a joint project and nintendo had a long time to analyze the contract. That is the contract i am talking about and that is the one I was referring to. And that is the one Pokoko was talking about. And that is what we where talking about all along... So everything that was said was related.

What wasn't related was the part where I talked about Nintendo contracts with third parties in the NES era.



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happydolphin on 14 August 2013
Hynad said:

Hypocrisy = not reading, researching and understanding?

Care to provide me a link to that dictionary you're using?

It's called the dictionary of intelligent people. Sorry but it's a private textbook.

I'll give you a sample though. You're a person who researches a topic. You have read countless articles and pages on the matter. One person comes in not knowing much about the topic, but instead comes in calling you a hypocrite for sticking to what you believe really happened on the matter. If he's not a hypocrite, then okay he's a moron.

 

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 14 August 2013

And then Nintendo got revenge by dominating in the handheld market and laughing their way to the bank



                  

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happydolphin on 14 August 2013
Anfebious said:

Nitendo and Sony made a contract. They where going to do a joint project and nintendo had a long time to analyze the contract. That is the contract i am talking about and that is the one I was referring to. And that is the one Pokoko was talking about. And that is what we where talking about all along... So everything that was said was related.

What wasn't related was the part where I talked about Nintendo contracts with third parties in the NES era.

@bold. I hope you realize that's not an argument in Sony's favor...

Nintendo would never give up the rights on their IPs. If it took them time to find the scam, you can bet that that's not a good thing to color Sony as the good guy.



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the_dengle on 14 August 2013

I imagine it felt similarly to the way Sony felt when Nintendo stabbed them in the back and went with Philips.

That said, at the same time the N64 was selling modest numbers in Japan, the whole dang country was catching Pokéfever. Nintendo was on their second honeymoon with Japan.



happydolphin on 14 August 2013
pokoko said:

Then how the fuck did they miss that?  If they are so protective, how do the approve that agreement and then not notice it for years?  How can it be a "fast one" if it was there from the very beginning?  If they DID NOT have a team of lawyers analyze ANY contract then they are morons, plain and simple.  You don't just miss a "hidden clause" that gives away the rights to your property.

This isn't adding up whatsoever.

Actually, the more I look into it, the more this "hidden clause" thing seems like nonsense.

It is a known fact that Sony wanted to own the rights to Nintendo's IPs. Nintendo, it is a fact, holds to its IPs like a hen with its chicks. It is a fact that Nintendo would not take this lightly. A FACT.

So, if Nintendo agreed to the contract, it is either due to negligence (highly unlikely), or due to a very inscrupulous clause in the contract (VERY likely).



Anfebious on 14 August 2013
happydolphin said:
Anfebious said:

Nitendo and Sony made a contract. They where going to do a joint project and nintendo had a long time to analyze the contract. That is the contract i am talking about and that is the one I was referring to. And that is the one Pokoko was talking about. And that is what we where talking about all along... So everything that was said was related.

What wasn't related was the part where I talked about Nintendo contracts with third parties in the NES era.

@bold. I hope you realize that's not an argument in Sony's favor...

Nintendo would never give up the rights on their IPs. If it took them time to find the scam, you can bet that that's not a good thing to color Sony as the good guy.

Then why wait until the end to sever the ties? If they had time to analyze the contract then that means they "agreed" with it.

It's not a positive argument for Sony. I am just saying that they had time to analyze te contract. These are big companies, you simply don't miss something as important as that.



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Hynad on 14 August 2013
happydolphin said:
Hynad said:

Hypocrisy = not reading, researching and understanding?

Care to provide me a link to that dictionary you're using?

It's called the dictionary of intelligent people. Sorry but it's a private textbook.

I'll give you a sample though. You're a person who researches a topic. You have read countless articles and pages on the matter. One person comes in not knowing much about the topic, but instead comes in calling you a hypocrite for sticking to what you believe really happened on the matter. If he's not a hypocrite, then okay he's a moron.

Quoted just to make sure.

As for the event that took place back then between Sony And Nintendo, we all know what happened. You choose to take a side if you want. But that doesn't make the event go away. Nintendo didn't read the contract properly, or thought about the full depth of the implications of it. When they realised it, their reaction was unceremonious at best.

It's not like Sony didn't write those things on the paper that Nintendo signed, right? ¬_¬





happydolphin on 14 August 2013
Hynad said:

Quoted just to make sure.

As for the event that took place back then between Sony And Nintendo, we all know what happened. You choose to take a side if you want. But that doesn't make the event go away. Nintendo didn't read the contract properly, or thought about the full depth of the implications of it. When they realised it, their reaction was unceremonious at best.

It's not like Sony didn't write those things on the paper that Nintendo signed, right? ¬_¬

@bold. You need to find better things to do.

As for the rest, I've already answered Pokoko. If Nintendo were unceremonious, it's because Sony deserved it and I would have done the same. Good on them.