richardhutnik said: I get this feeling johnlucas would be trumpeting how awesome the VirtualBoy is, when it was released, on here. People complaining about how it hurt their eyes would get the riot act read to them, how eyes hurting is the future of gaming, and how people really, really want to have their eyes hurt, eventhough sales were showing otherwise.
I have a feeling you might end up in a mental hospital if johnlucas ends up being right about EVERYTHING;)
richardhutnik said: I get this feeling johnlucas would be trumpeting how awesome the VirtualBoy is, when it was released, on here. People complaining about how it hurt their eyes would get the riot act read to them, how eyes hurting is the future of gaming, and how people really, really want to have their eyes hurt, eventhough sales were showing otherwise.
I have a feeling you might end up in a mental hospital if johnlucas ends up being right about EVERYTHING;)
Not be, but very possibly johnlucas ends up replacing Pachter at his job, and pulls a Peter Schiff and gets his own show if the following comes to pass (his prediction from the original post:
I said it here. I say it now. Wii U WILL BE THE LEADER of the 8th Generation Consoles BY FAR. It will outsell the XBox One & PlayStation 4 HANDILY throughout the generation. And should The Revolution go as planned, this will be the LAST CONSOLE WAR between Nintendo, Sony, & Microsoft. Wii U obtains what was denied to Wii. Wii U at last becomes EVERYBODY'S CONSOLE.
Oh & you want a number? Here's one for you: 12 million Wii U's sold by December 31, 2013. Here's another: 35 million Wii U's sold by December 31, 2014. Here's one more: 60 million Wii U's sold by December 31, 2015. And one more for the road: 240 million LIFETIME Wii U sales.
Wii U is 'Wii Part 2'. This standoff must end. The Kids are coming home off the streets. Nintendo will finish The Revolution through Wii U & bring Unity to the gaming industry at last. No more Hardcore vs. Casual. It's just Gamers. While Nintendo is proven to succeed WITHOUT the 3rd party, this long standing division in the game industry must finally be healed.
Remember now, what object is shaped like a 'U'?.......A Magnet. Think about that. It's all about Dad's House. The 1st Party STILL rules.
John Lucas
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End result prediction says is that the hardcore will NOT buy the PS4 and ONE, and WILL buy the Wii U. In addition, since it is the LAST console war, Microsoft and Sony are going to drop out of the console business. In addition, the Wii U is going to go off and end up selling about double what the Wii did.
I am expecting johnlucas to clone himself, and go into places where smart devices are sold, and shove the Wii U controller in front of the faces of people buying them, to persuade them to STOP gaming on their devices, and even get them to believe they don't need a smart phone, because they always call others with their U pad when they get home.
Well well. Got lots of choice quips from my debating buddy richardhutnik on here. I'm gonna combine them all in one post & answer each of them one by one. So folks won't get lost, I'll put the permalink before the quote so everybody knows where I got the quotes from.
What I find troubling is johnlucas reads this news as that it means the videogames industry is now going to die off, and just leave Nintendo alone. Individuals who are immensely partisan fail to see that their beloved company will get affected by things. Social and mobile gaming crashing is not good for anyone. A crash at cheap price point does NOT mean that masses of people are suddently going to go back to $60 a pop for what they had been. Casual gamers may just be happy with what they have, and just find other stuff to do. Heck, maybe they go back to boardgames or find other activities. The news here does NOT mean that Nintendo remains sole survivor. It stands AT LEAST as much that Nintendo will be dragged under.
johnlucas, to me, is someone caught up in Nintendo's past, and merely looking a longevity as the answer to everything. Nintendo can end up getting swept under, as anyone else can.
Nintendo IS the videogame industry. This is THEIR business. They are the stewards who keep videogaming's grounds lush & fertile. When they go, the videogame business goes. If anybody else stepped in & tried to take the reins, I guarantee you wouldn't see this business's longevity. They might have a go for 5 years, maybe even 10. But you wouldn't have over 30 years with this kind of output if it wasn't for Nintendo running the ship.
And PLEASE don't say Sony & Microsoft. Microsoft lost 2 to 4 billion on the original XBox. Yeah they had the money to lose but that is GROSSLY irresponsible. There's no excuse for losing that kind of money. No excuse. No matter what the product. In Sony's best days of the PS1 & PS2, the potential money they SHOULD have made they didn't make since they operated from a lossleading standpoint to begin with. They sold a record amount of consoles but Nintendo had about the same profits they did selling much less home consoles with their strong-selling handhelds. The only way for Sony to be successful in games is to always sell record amount of consoles. What happens when they go through an unforeseen tough spot? You saw what happened. Its name is the PS3 & it lost the ENTIRE decade-plus of profits PS1 & PS2 made in its first 2 years.
Microsoft gets a little taste of success with the 360 (#2 in American market) & comes out here with that madness at E3 2013. Sony falls off of the record-setting highwire & now doesn't exactly know WHAT to do with any of their consoles. If those guys ran the business, it would end up just like it did when Warner-controlled Atari ran it. (Incidentally 1976-1984 fits my 5 to 10 year call I mentioned earlier)
Same with those PC developers. They HAD a platform. It was called the Personal Computer. A MUCH bigger install base than ANY console could have. How did they screw that up? Anarchy, that's why. Too many disjointed entities on a Wild West platform like the PC. You can't build anything long-term in anarchy. There has to be some structure in place to keep chaos from tearing everything up. The console was unified & structured. That's why it stepped in when the fractious PC guys ruined their own market. Nintendo took over the console personifying unity & structure. That's why it wrecked the PC's games market. The PC guys have since wanted to turn the console into the PC as payback. But Nintendo won't let them.
This is THEIR business. They put in the work & long hours to create this value, to create this vibrance. To resurrect this industry out of nothingness. They're not gonna let any chaotics come in & tear up everything they built. It doesn't matter if they come back in a new form under the tablet/smartphone moniker. All the race to the bottom nonsense that will surely destroy developers in the long run.
You think I support Nintendo solely because I like them as a game developer, that I like the games & consoles they produce. That's only a part of it. I support Nintendo because I know they are the lifeblood, the lifeforce of the ENTIRE videogaming business—console or not. All the competition that comes in challenging Nintendo is eating Nintendo's leftovers. Gaining from their runoff. Nintendo creates value BEYOND themselves that everybody else takes advantage of.
This 7th generation we're now leaving. 8 years of it & the XBox 360 & PS3 haven't even broken the 80 million mark when the PS2 had 100 million in 5 years. Fact is the 360 & PS3 wouldn't even have that near 80 million if they didn't change to match Wii. I kept up with the sales each & every month for years. I got loads of Word documents on my computer where I wrote reports of the sales. It was when PS3 & 360 embraced Nintendo's direction that they gathered the extra sales. When the PS3 slimmed down & promoted Move. When the 360 slimmed down & promoted Kinect. That is when their sales picked up. Doubled in fact. What if Nintendo wasn't around to provide that direction? What do you think their sales would have been then? 8 years struggling to get 40 million?
Nintendo showed developers that it was OK to make simpler games again or to experiment with art style in graphics. They put out Donkey Kong Country on the SNES with its amazing graphical detail & everybody expected Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island to follow suit. Miyamoto said, "Nah. Make it look like crayons." Nintendo staff put out WarioWare Inc. & said it's OK to be abstract & simplistic graphically. Everybody was expecting the new Zelda to look "realistic" like that Spaceworld 2000 demo with its naturalistic art style. Nintendo gave you TRUE realism by concentrating on Link's natural facial expressions as his eyes follow whatever's going on in the living cartoon art style of Wind Waker. They have been providing direction in both software & hardware for EVERYBODY working in the videogame business—console, PC, tablet, whatever. And have been doing it for 3 decades straight!
Those who don't pay for games on mobile wouldn't pay for games anywhere else. What the mobile market has is inflation in terms of customer support. It's basically like false friends. So many of them are around when you're popular but when you hit rock bottom you won't find any of them around to support you. The videogame HOBBY can be done anywhere, at anytime, by anybody, on any platform. That's how it was before Bushnell & Baer started Atari & the Odyssey, that's how it will always be. But the videogame BUSINESS needs caretaking & stewardship to ensure the longevity & value it needs so that the videogame makers can make a living in this enterprise. Nintendo's the groundskeeper, the gardener who tends this gaming garden & makes sure all the flowers bloom, makes sure all the weeds are pulled, makes sure all the hedges are trimmed, makes sure all the grass is cut, makes sure all the trash is put away, make sure all the pests are at bay.
No, Nintendo can't be dragged under. They can't be swept under. They ARE the industry. And it will all boomerang back to them.
Here is one more thing, about Nintendo, and where they are. johnlucas rah-rahs things and goes with the b_e_l_i_e_v_e bit with Nintendo. What you see as their response to current challenges is 3D in handhelds, and also a second screen for home consoles. The Wii U isn't doing what the Wii did and doesn't show that people want the second screen as a must have feature. And with the 3DS, Nintendo coming out with the 2DS ends up being a sign that 3D isn't want people want either. 3D didn't end up being the next big thing, and the 2DS validates that.
As of now, Nintendo shows leadership in the portable arena, and is not doing much on the console side. johnlucas seems to think, somehow, that smart device gaming is going to implode, and people use their smart devices just to do work, and then they will all jump on the Nintendo bandwagon. Heck, for all I know johnlucas will believe that people are going to stop buying tablets and buy the 2DS instead, because surfing the web and all that is just a fad, while playing the next Miyamoto title is a MUST DO.
Reality isn't showing differentiators Nintendo is offering is what people want at all.
Wii U will take time to show its value. Wii was apparent by looking at it from afar. More people have to be upclose with Wii U for its worth to be shown. 3DS runs into the limitations of human eyes. Some people just can't take the 3D effect. It's just the variation in human development. And Nintendo knows that parents are concerned for their young kids who Nintendo takes SPECIAL measures to watch out for (that's why we had the clunky Friends Code stuff to begin with. Nintendo was scared of pedophiles messing with kids online on their platform). It doesn't stop 3D game development. It doesn't stop Nintendo from making the 3DS. It just allows those who can't experience 3D a chance to play the new games along with those who can. 3D makes for a nice screen effect at the least & actually helps you navigate 3D environments easier at the most. I always keep my 3D on.
Listen to what I say EXACTLY, Richard. I never said Nintendo will stop people from playing on tablets & smartphones. I SPECIFICALLY said that to you & others on this thread like Gamerace. I'll quote myself to show it:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5576349 "Oh & the sweetest part of your comments. Androids & all the tablet/smartphone stuff. There's no denying that gaming is here to stay on the new edition of the PC, the personal computer. But we are in EXACTLY the same place we were 30 years ago when consoles faced trouble from the home computers of the early-to-mid 1980s."
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5632820 "But the 3DS can only parallel the smartphone gang, never eliminate them. Why? Because the smartphones & their bigger brothers the tablets represent the NEW PC market. This new PC market finally figured out how to CONSOLE-IZE the Personal Computer.
You're in a boom cycle right now with the mobile game market but the bust is coming because ultimately the business model isn't sustainable. There will always be games on that platform but as time goes on the limitations of the market & the platform will become apparent to all."
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5636928 "No the mobile games market won't die entirely just like the old PC games market didn't die entirely. But it won't be that oasis for revenue everybody's expecting it to be."
My stance is that Nintendo will wreck the gaming MARKETS on those platforms like they did to the old PCs decades ago. People will still play games on their phones & tablets but the business viability for making games on those platforms will be massively weaker in favor of the consoles (which Nintendo runs).
Another thing about running business. You NEVER give the customer what they WANT. The customer doesn't KNOW what he/she wants or what he/she wants comes out of fickle-mindedness that passes with any competing thought. You can run a focus group, ask the people what they want, give it to them, & watch yourself go out of business when they don't buy the product. You give the customer what they NEED. You anticipate their behavior & come up with a product that fulfills the behavioral need. No customer could tell you they wanted a Wiimote & Wii Sports until it was in their hands. Music customers couldn't tell you they wanted Michael Jackson's Thriller until they heard it with their own ears. If Michael always gave the customers what they WANTED, they'd have him singing ABC in an afro & bellbottoms like he was when he was a little kid. No what Michael did was have a vision & delivered his vision to the customers. He anticipated a need for racial healing & used his music to unify audiences which is why Thriller has so many songs for everybody on it. Nintendo works from a vision as well & delivers their vision to the customers. They too will have something for everybody on the Wii U.
Outside of the Wii, you see what Nintendo does ahead of time, and what it is trying. It went to the second screen with the DS, to see if it would work or not. It did. So, it decided to bring that home. It had done Virtual Boy in the past, and hinted at 3D, and saw what would or would not work. With the Wii, the idea they had was to win the market through having a unique interface. Microsoft and Sony got wise to that actually, and were able to put together a second screen solution so Nintendo got muted.
Nintendo went 3D without glasses with the 3DS to differentiate. That looks like it isn't so hot. They also tried the second screen with the WIi U, and that didn't really catch on at all. The said "gimmicks" are how Nintendo IS trying to differentiate itself. When they do this, they aren't gimmicks, but they are features.
Reality is now that we might be gamed out, as far as a population goes. The price has dropped a lot, because there is so much content. Now free to play and freemium are the norm. Could be there is a need to cull things out some, and contract and do a mini-crash. But that is going to impact people a lot here.
The word 'gimmicks'. People like to use that word to discredit what Nintendo does with the business. Gimmicks was the race for "HD graphics" last gen. Gimmicks are the dangerous pricing models mobile gaming uses to get an edge on the consoles. If they're gonna call what Nintendo does 'gimmicks', they would have to call everything a gimmick. A selling point is a selling point is a selling point. All products must have features or services that help it to sell. Even if it's just a new paint job.
3D without glasses was a breakthrough! Sony that same year 3DS came out was out here trying to push 3D glasses in that 3D World campaign. Even people who have to wear glasses would much rather take them off if they could so you know others don't want any prolonged experiences wearing glasses for 3D. 3D is not over. Nintendo solved the problem & will use 3D to enhance their games. They don't have to push so hard talking about 3D all the time. Hell I got a co-worker of mine interested in a 3DS simply by SHOWING him the Little Boat 3D film from Nintendo Video. He had been skeptical of the handheld before this.
By the way, nice how you inadvertantly admitted a crash is indeed coming. You said, "The price has a dropped a lot..." "...because there is so much content," you said. You said, "free to play and freemium are the norm." You mentioned the terms 'cull' 'contract' & 'mini-crash'. You made my argument FOR me. It will impact a lot of people but Nintendo will weather the fallout & restore the balance yet again. They are the groundskeepers. They are the stewards. It UNIFIES around them when the crash comes.
One of the current battlelines of the future of console gaming is whether or not people will buy dedicated gaming devices to play games on, in sufficient numbers that these platforms get their own exclusive content or not. As smart devices appear to be powerful enough, casual gamers could decide to back off buying a dedicated device, and you are seeing this happened. "Nintendo is doomed" comments are coming out of this trend. And I do believe Nintendo gets targeted with this, because portable gaming devices have been their bread and butter.
They will buy them. They're doing it now. They'll be doing it next year. And the year after that. And the year after that. And the reason they will is because Nintendo will make the proposal that they should. The console should have been dead decades ago but Nintendo made that proposal that stopped parents from looking only to home computers for their kids to play on. I see kids playing on DS's & 3DS's in my town all the time. I see them playing on smartphones & tablets too but the handheld console is alive & well. Kids play Nickelodeon games on the browsers but that doesn't stop them from wanting a handheld console to play its games. I know online friends of mine who play Facebook games but still buy Nintendo consoles to play Animal Crossing. These are adults in their 40s, 50s, & 60s. By the way, there's no such thing as a "casual gamer". Gotta say that once again.
I'm sure when the N-Gage came out there were all kinds of reports saying Nintendo's days in the handheld industry were over. I KNOW it happened when the PSP was announced. N-Gage boss attacks Nintendo's GBA N-gage - GBA killer?
Doom & gloom talk is always following Nintendo. Here's another example from 2003, the midst of the Gamecube era. Is Nintendo Playing The Wrong Game? Subtitle: Its competitors are turning their consoles into home entertainment centers. But Nintendo is sticking to games, a play-it-safe strategy that threatens to reduce the once-mighty company into irrelevancy.
I done heard all this stuff before. It's the same song-and-dance every generation. Same lines, different players. Nintendo will be just fine. In fact they'll be MORE than fine. They're gonna be DOMINANT.
johnlucas is presuming that all the horsepower is to be thrown at JUST photorealism, and doesn't see any other use, and believes we have ALMOST enough today, and the WiiU is the magic boost we need, and NOTHING more than what the WiiU is needed foir the next generation. I left bits behind of what johnlucas said to say this. In johnlucas's mind, the industry really doesn't need much more RAM than it has now. It doesn't really need much more of a bump, BUT when he argues for the WiiU, he has to argue that current generation is both insufficient to do what people want to do, AND also that the marginal bump the Wii U provides (complete with the second screen) is FULLY what the industry needs for the next five years. And it is a BIG argument for the second screen being critical, because that is the U's differentiator. And the argument is "doing this to get third party". Well, third-party has NOT signed on to bring their next gen content on the ONE and PS4 to the Wii U, because the Wii U stands too far behind in their mind, that they don't want to mess with it.
johnlucas seems to be so wrapped up in refuting what Microsoft and Sony are doing, that there is a near complete failure to show that what Nintendo is doing is what people want. There is "but, but, look at the past! Nintendo is epic, yadda, yadda, yadda". And Nintendo brought the world VirtualBoy also. No indication Nintendo always gets it.
What's the horsepower for then if not graphics? It can't be AI. What else could there be at this point? Educate me. What does more horsepower bring to gameplay at this point in time? More RAM? Just More? How about more efficiently used RAM? How about better used RAM?
Yeah the way the 360 & PS3 are designed they are insufficient for the lasting health of the business. That's why they haven't broken 80 million in 8 years. Wii U is thinking about that lasting health of the business. They are focused on how we play as they ALWAYS are. The UPad adds extra dimensions to how we play. It's EXACTLY what the business needs for the 8th generation. It's the Wii to the next power. That's why I say Nintendo finishes The Revolution through Wii U.
Of course the 3rd party fights. Nintendo knows they were gonna fight. The too-early launches were done for this purpose. It would force Microsoft & Sony to show their hands & trap them into that power game one more time. Nintendo took an early hit to set the stage for overall plan. When the plan is completed the 3rd party will bow. Microsoft & Sony would have gotten snared in that trap & now the 3rd party won't have these giants to hide behind anymore. They will have no choice but to produce for Wii U or see their businesses slowly dissolve. Nintendo is not nice this time around like they were with the Wii.
I already told you the folly of "what people want". I look at the past, the present, AND the future. And I see Nintendo strong in all three time periods. The ONLY time you ever seen Nintendo truly fail was with the Virtual Boy. That's the ONLY time they purely dropped the ball. Yet in the future generations after they have Unified the industry, they'll be using what was researched on Virtual Boy for a new console. As for the current time, Wii U ain't the Virtual Boy.
I get this feeling johnlucas would be trumpeting how awesome the VirtualBoy is, when it was released, on here (if this site was up when the VirtualBoy came out). People complaining about how it hurt their eyes would get the riot act read to them, how eyes hurting is the future of gaming, and how people really, really want to have their eyes hurt, eventhough sales were showing otherwise. Right down to even defending this:
No, not really. I was confused about the Virtual Boy when it came out in 1995. I was like is this really necessary right before the N64 launch? With more time in development the Virtual Boy could have been successful as an arcade device. It was always awkward wearing a full helmet in your own house trying to play a game. This is a lesson Nintendo kept in mind as they created the 3DS which does away with head-covering 3D glasses.
Incubi said: I have a feeling you might end up in a mental hospital if johnlucas ends up being right about EVERYTHING;)
Not be, but very possibly johnlucas ends up replacing Pachter at his job, and pulls a Peter Schiff and gets his own show if the following comes to pass (his prediction from the original post:
I said it here. I say it now. Wii U WILL BE THE LEADER of the 8th Generation Consoles BY FAR. It will outsell the XBox One & PlayStation 4 HANDILY throughout the generation. And should The Revolution go as planned, this will be the LAST CONSOLE WAR between Nintendo, Sony, & Microsoft. Wii U obtains what was denied to Wii. Wii U at last becomes EVERYBODY'S CONSOLE.
Oh & you want a number? Here's one for you: 12 million Wii U's sold by December 31, 2013. Here's another: 35 million Wii U's sold by December 31, 2014. Here's one more: 60 million Wii U's sold by December 31, 2015. And one more for the road: 240 million LIFETIME Wii U sales.
Wii U is 'Wii Part 2'. This standoff must end. The Kids are coming home off the streets. Nintendo will finish The Revolution through Wii U & bring Unity to the gaming industry at last. No more Hardcore vs. Casual. It's just Gamers. While Nintendo is proven to succeed WITHOUT the 3rd party, this long standing division in the game industry must finally be healed.
Remember now, what object is shaped like a 'U'?.......A Magnet. Think about that. It's all about Dad's House. The 1st Party STILL rules.
John Lucas
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End result prediction says is that the hardcore will NOT buy the PS4 and ONE, and WILL buy the Wii U. In addition, since it is the LAST console war, Microsoft and Sony are going to drop out of the console business. In addition, the Wii U is going to go off and end up selling about double what the Wii did.
I am expecting johnlucas to clone himself, and go into places where smart devices are sold, and shove the Wii U controller in front of the faces of people buying them, to persuade them to STOP gaming on their devices, and even get them to believe they don't need a smart phone, because they always call others with their U pad when they get home.
People chat on Skype & stuff like that now. If phone owners have limitations on their data plans they use other devices. Why NOT use a Wii U Gamepad to chat? Why not chat on a tablet using a chat client? I have a full-fledged computer with e-mail & all kinds of ways to communicate. I still passed messages on my Wii to friends. I checked websites & e-mails on my 3DS & DSi before. It doesn't have to be an Either/Or proposition. Why not Both/And?
The so-called Hardcore will go where their beloved 3rd party titles go. They will go where their friends go. Sony was THE PLACE for home console gaming from the mid 90s to the mid 2000s, right? How come all of a sudden a lot of their players switched to the XBox 360 on the 2nd half of the 2000s? Neither Microsoft nor Sony better get used to that "loyalty". The "hardcore" can & WILL be converted. Somebody's getting out of this business. My bet's on Microsoft but either way the Microsoft/Sony combination platform used by the 3rd parties will be broken up this generation. BY the Wii U.
I want you to stick around, richardhutnik. We're gonna meet here & revisit this thread a few years from now. I'm entirely confident of my conclusions in this thread. I'm telling you the 8th gen is not going to go like you expect. And by then you would KNOW CLEARLY that Nintendo was never doomed. John Lucas
johnlucas is presuming that all the horsepower is to be thrown at JUST photorealism, and doesn't see any other use, and believes we have ALMOST enough today, and the WiiU is the magic boost we need, and NOTHING more than what the WiiU is needed foir the next generation. I left bits behind of what johnlucas said to say this. In johnlucas's mind, the industry really doesn't need much more RAM than it has now. It doesn't really need much more of a bump, BUT when he argues for the WiiU, he has to argue that current generation is both insufficient to do what people want to do, AND also that the marginal bump the Wii U provides (complete with the second screen) is FULLY what the industry needs for the next five years. And it is a BIG argument for the second screen being critical, because that is the U's differentiator. And the argument is "doing this to get third party". Well, third-party has NOT signed on to bring their next gen content on the ONE and PS4 to the Wii U, because the Wii U stands too far behind in their mind, that they don't want to mess with it.
johnlucas seems to be so wrapped up in refuting what Microsoft and Sony are doing, that there is a near complete failure to show that what Nintendo is doing is what people want. There is "but, but, look at the past! Nintendo is epic, yadda, yadda, yadda". And Nintendo brought the world VirtualBoy also. No indication Nintendo always gets it.
What's the horsepower for then if not graphics? It can't be AI. What else could there be at this point? Educate me. What does more horsepower bring to gameplay at this point in time? More RAM? Just More? How about more efficiently used RAM? How about better used RAM?
Yeah the way the 360 & PS3 are designed they are insufficient for the lasting health of the business. That's why they haven't broken 80 million in 8 years. Wii U is thinking about that lasting health of the business. They are focused on how we play as they ALWAYS are. The UPad adds extra dimensions to how we play. It's EXACTLY what the business needs for the 8th generation. It's the Wii to the next power. That's why I say Nintendo finishes The Revolution through Wii U.
Third-party developers requested certain specs, which included the RAM, to do their games. Microsoft and Sony honored that. Nintendo did not. Nintendo doesn't listen to third-party, nor consults with them. Because of lack of consulting, third-party is ignoring the Wii U for the big next gen projects. They are coding and designing to 8GB of RAM and other graphics. There is a BIG push now for open world, because it sells content, and enables you to keep employed. RAM is very important in this area. RAM also helps reduce load time, and helps you build bigger games. If you are going linear games, it doesn't matter, but for open world, it does. And the Wii U has 4x less RAM than the other two consoles. Third party doesn't want to work with it, because it is too different.
More horsepower enables you to do better physics also and loads of other things. The big deal is specs to code to. Wii U gets current gen stuff, and isn't getting next gen, because they don't want to bother with it. And you need to seriously show that the second screen is what people want. So far, it isn't showing. Nintendo only has its IP to bring to the table now, and the second screen. Go compare sales of Skyward Sword to Skyrim to see which one people are more interested in. The Wii sold more than the PS3 and the 360. Zelda is supposed to be a large IP. But compare sales of Skyrim to Skyward Sword on ALL platforms ALONE (not even adding them up) and see what sold more. Also, see which one has generated more viral content. And guess what console is NOT getting the next Elder Scrolls game. You can try to spin it whatever way you want, thinking across the board that Zelda is a larger IP and more significant than Elder's Scroll is. But, the numbers no longer show this.
good to see some of the old members back and posting but
wiiu will never sell 240M LT ever. i personally see it struggling to get to your end of 2014 sales for its LT, you'll see how off your end of 2013 projections are gonna be, i believe the ps3 is on the verge of over taking your so called 7th gen leader and really earning the title "the little engine that could"
must of just missed your era here in 07 but you posts have alot of charisma and hype to them you remind me of a nintendo version of a former vgc poster called megaman2, although he doesnt post on here would of been fun seeing the both of you here simultaneously
good to see some of the old members back and posting but
wiiu will never sell 240M LT ever. i personally see it struggling to get to your end of 2014 sales for its LT, you'll see how off your end of 2013 projections are gonna be, i believe the ps3 is on the verge of over taking your so called 7th gen leader and really earning the title "the little engine that could"
must of just missed your era here in 07 but you posts have alot of charisma and hype to them you remind me of a nintendo version of a former vgc poster called megaman2, although he doesnt post on here would of been fun seeing the both of you here simultaneously
Why do you care so much about sales? Who cares if PS3 eventually outsells Wii? The Wii made a hell of a lot more money for Nintendo than PS3 did for Sony.
Third-party developers requested certain specs, which included the RAM, to do their games. Microsoft and Sony honored that. Nintendo did not. Nintendo doesn't listen to third-party, nor consults with them. Because of lack of consulting, third-party is ignoring the Wii U for the big next gen projects. They are coding and designing to 8GB of RAM and other graphics. There is a BIG push now for open world, because it sells content, and enables you to keep employed. RAM is very important in this area. RAM also helps reduce load time, and helps you build bigger games. If you are going linear games, it doesn't matter, but for open world, it does. And the Wii U has 4x less RAM than the other two consoles. Third party doesn't want to work with it, because it is too different.
More horsepower enables you to do better physics also and loads of other things. The big deal is specs to code to. Wii U gets current gen stuff, and isn't getting next gen, because they don't want to bother with it. And you need to seriously show that the second screen is what people want. So far, it isn't showing. Nintendo only has its IP to bring to the table now, and the second screen. Go compare sales of Skyward Sword to Skyrim to see which one people are more interested in. The Wii sold more than the PS3 and the 360. Zelda is supposed to be a large IP. But compare sales of Skyrim to Skyward Sword on ALL platforms ALONE (not even adding them up) and see what sold more. Also, see which one has generated more viral content. And guess what console is NOT getting the next Elder Scrolls game. You can try to spin it whatever way you want, thinking across the board that Zelda is a larger IP and more significant than Elder's Scroll is. But, the numbers no longer show this.
We don't need better physics for millions of particles in games.. We have better than we need already. As per zelda, The Legend of Zelda is just that A LEGEND. Everyone's heard it's name and seen it somewhere. I love tes i beaten 3-5 including expansions. It's recent sales were very deserved. It has really become a strong IP you are correct about that. The rest we need to talk about.
Find me a qoute from a dev, with the words "8gb ram", stating that's why they aren't developing on Wii U. No dev ever said "8gb ram or no deal."
Peter hines said "None of the game's we've announced are being developed for the Wii U, so it's guaranteed that none of those games are coming to Wii U. Will any future ones come out? I can't say for sure, in our near-term focus it's not on our radar. It's largely a hardware thing, Bethesda's mantra is to "make the games that we want to make, on whatever platforms will support them as developed." The Elder Scrolls Online likely would have been released on Xbox 360, but that it just wasn't possible due to hardware limitations."
he VERY CLEARLY states, it would be impossible to develop tes: online for 360; however, he CHOOSES not to develop it for Wii U because it won't work as developed. Hines wanted Nintendo to consult with them on their box to try to get a pc box like the others. Hines strategy for the company is to develop in an x86 pc environment.
Listen again to what he says, "you’ve gotta spend more time trying to reach out to those folks before you even make the box, when you’re still designing and thinking about how it’s going to work.”
He didn't say "thinking about how much power & ram". He said how its is going to work! How systems work is governed by whether it's x86 or powerpc. No where did he ever say Wii U has hardware limitations(find me the qoute). He said it's a hardware thing! How it works! PowerPC! Do you get it!?! Hines would have Nintendo build a pc like the other guys because he's a pc developer. But Nintendo doesn't want to build a pc. Nintendo has been using The Same System Architecture & Organization (with improvements) for the past twelve years. They've invested heavily in their technology. They have the best teams in the world and those teams know the powerpc architecture like the back of their hands. Changing it would mean replacing the manufacturing plants that build the boards. Nintendo is wiser than you give them credit for.
good to see some of the old members back and posting but
wiiu will never sell 240M LT ever. i personally see it struggling to get to your end of 2014 sales for its LT, you'll see how off your end of 2013 projections are gonna be, i believe the ps3 is on the verge of over taking your so called 7th gen leader and really earning the title "the little engine that could"
must of just missed your era here in 07 but you posts have alot of charisma and hype to them you remind me of a nintendo version of a former vgc poster called megaman2, although he doesnt post on here would of been fun seeing the both of you here simultaneously
Why do you care so much about sales? Who cares if PS3 eventually outsells Wii? The Wii made a hell of a lot more money for Nintendo than PS3 did for Sony.
PS3 outselling Wii matters because PS3 doing a lot for Gamers than Sony with the support of Games which gamers want from a Console, whereas Wii Just did a gimmick for Nintendo to get the money and forget them without giving anymore games just after 3 years which is really bad from them and this proves that all they care about money making and don't give a shit about gamers if they lose money but Sony does risks for Gamers everything even though they make loss in it.
Sony is more passioned in Gaming right now than Nintendo in push technology, Games and Support. So, PS3 should sell more units and help sony to make more games for us. And this PS3 outselling(ultimately generating more money for Sony) Wii is what we gamers give Sony Top selling console which PS3 deserves for everything it did for Gamers.
GAMING is not about spending hours to pass/waste our time just for fun,
its a Feeling/Experience about a VIRTUAL WORLD we can never be in real, and realizing some of our dreams (also creating new ones).
So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.
PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.
Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.
Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.
PS3 outselling Wii matters because PS3 doing a lot for Gamers than Sony with the support of Games which gamers want from a Console, whereas Wii Just did a gimmick for Nintendo to get the money and forget them without giving anymore games just after 3 years which is really bad from them and this proves that all they care about money making and don't give a shit about gamers if they lose money but Sony does risks for Gamers everything even though they make loss in it.
Sony is more passioned in Gaming right now than Nintendo in push technology, Games and Support. So, PS3 should sell more units and help sony to make more games for us. And this PS3 outselling(ultimately generating more money for Sony) Wii is what we gamers give Sony Top selling console which PS3 deserves for everything it did for Gamers.
Sony didn't lose all of it's earnings from the past two generations because of their passion and love. They can't run an industry successfully that's ALL.
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