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Clinton will eventually win



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superdelegates, though influenced by political connections, still vote strongly according to the popular vote. i think it's slightly more likely obama will win enough popular votes to force superdelgates for vote his way than it is to have obama-clinton split the popular vote and have superdelgates vote for clinton.



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Desroko said:
Zucas, there is no significant difference between Clinton and Obama on economics.

Oh no no no.  Clinton is definetly a lot closer to moderation when concerning economics while Obama is way more to the left.  I like this article written a year ago contrasting their 2 ideas in the political spectrum:

 

The easiest way to describe Senator Clinton’s philosophy is to say that she believes in the promise of narrowly tailored government policies, like focused tax cuts. She has more faith that government can do what it sets out to do, which is a traditionally liberal view. Yet she also subscribes to the conservative idea that people respond rationally to financial incentives.

Senator Obama’s ideas, on the other hand, draw heavily on behavioral economics, a left-leaning academic movement that has challenged traditional neoclassical economics over the last few decades. Behavioral economists consider an abiding faith in rationality to be wishful thinking.

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Although its still one man's opinion, I think it definetly conveys where they are in economics.  Hillary is definetly more of a moderate when it comes to economy while Obama is close to a populist when it comes to economy.  And you can definetly see how Obama might be classifed as a socialist if you read his book. 

 



The_vagabond7 said:
I agree with Kasz. I think the superdelegates will put Clinton in the front. Washington doesn't want change, or anybody that will even put an iota of effort into change, even if the people do want change.

Howard Dean, Chairman of the Democratic party, has said that he will try to broker a deal between Clinton and Obama if it looks like the superdelegates will "overturn" the results of the pledged delegates.  I think it's going to be extremely close.  Clinton has a 90-ish superdelegate lead out of over 800, but it's difficult to say which way the rest of them will break.



I'd say it's too close too call right now, but I'm going to say Obama will edge out Clinton.




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Don't forget that Clinton won Michigan and Florida whose delegates do not count because they held their primaries before Feb 5th there are some 400 delegates there and if it comes close Clinton will be fighting very hard to have them counted during the convention.



Here's what I'm thinking. If Obama wins, he'll probably be pressured into giving Hillary the Vice-Presidency and vice versa because the Democratic party right now is being fracture too much over the two candidates. The winner has the job of uniting it again. So, both will really win...sort of.



The two big wild-cards are Gore and Edwards - their endorsements are going to be huge.

The word is that Gore favors Obama. Edwards has been coy, but if I had to guess I'd say he leans towards Obama as well.

On economics - look at the concrete, not the theoretical. Their proposals are almost identical - lower middle-class taxes and expand the EITC and child-care credit, invest in high-tech and renewable energy and job training, fair trade over free trade, support for the Employee Free Choice Act. They have similar homeowner and bankruptcy policies.

I haven't found anywhere stating that Clinton wants to increase and index the minimum wage like Obama, but on healthcare she's actually further left - her plan includes mandates, his doesn't.



totalwar23 said:
Here's what I'm thinking. If Obama wins, he'll probably be pressured into giving Hillary the Vice-Presidency and vice versa because the Democratic party right now is being fracture too much over the two candidates. The winner has the job of uniting it again. So, both will really win...sort of.

The problem with that is that Hillary doesn't want to be VP.

I don't think a Gore endorsement would do as much as people think it would.  An Edwards endorsement would be big.  Edwards actually took a significant number of votes on Super Tuesday, despite his withdrawal from the race.  If he endorses, that margin could be enough to make the difference in a race this close. 



Getting way ahead of ourselves, but I don't think Edwards or Clinton would want to be the running mate. Obama might accept that, but it's debatable whether Clinton would ask. If he runs a good campaign and loses a squeaker, he's young enough to run agaiin four or eight years.

I think huckabee is the favorite to be the running mate on the GOP side. James Webb of Virginia and has been getting a lot of attention for the Dems, and conventional wisdom says that Clinton and Obama should look to Southern or Western moderates. Strickland from Ohio is another attractive choice for Clinton.