Thanks, glad to be here.

Here's the broken logic that I referred to earlier: "For that 360 degress of choice freedom, we can choose any path. yet God knows the final path."

If God knows the "final path" before it actually happens, then it is set. You can't use your free will and make choices that causes the final path, as predicted by God, not to happen. Your choices were made before you were made.

And therein lies the novelty. Even if God knows, the choices are not made. His omniscience does not preclude them happening. It's part of his unfathomable divinity. He knows, but there was no predefined path. One could argue that they didn't even happen when he knew, not because he was controlling it, but because he was there, before it happened. But in order to be there, it had to have happened, so he could not have possibly controlled it (because it happened). You could argue that he knows because he is infinite, so he was there when it happened, before it heppened. It is not something that follows the logic we are familiar with. He knows, but that is independent of how we chose, or how we got there, because there is no predetermined path. He just knows because he saw it happen, before it happened. But it had to have happened before he saw it.

The basis to this theory is that God, if he is God, is immensely infinite, and defies any kind of pre-made logic we may have projected onto him from our limited reality.

BTW, if you're interested in the topic, you might want to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_in_theology

It discusses the "free will vs. omniscient god"-problem in detail, the various notions in different religions etc.

I feel like it's a cop out answer simply made to justify the existence of God.

If God knows everything, and made us, then he made some of us knowing we would sin. You can't just say "well it doesn't apply to God." Because based on those characteristics, he has to know, and he has to have made some of us to fail.

If god is the "prime mover," the being that created the universe, and god also knows every consequence of that primeval act of creation, then we have no free will. Our fates were sealed with that single act of a being that knew exactly what would follow.

I wonder why such an all-knowing creator would create so many people who doubt its existence. Maybe god has problems with insecurity.

If he did, then we simply never had free will. It is based again on the idea that all our choices trickle one from the other. But if we had free will, that determinism is impossible.

So if God knew, it's simply because he knows, not because he saw a pattern, but because he knows WITHOUT a pattern.

That's where my mind was blown. And it makes sense, because he had to have been there to know, and the bible states that he is the Alfa and the Omega, and that he is not bound by time... it's insane.

That's the thing. If we have free-will, then that intricacy of consequences is impossible. It's either-or, and that's why the almost ubiquitous assumption of it is false. It's either we have free-will or we don't. If we have free will, then there is no such intricacy of consequences, it's an either-or.

You being contradictory. Your saying if we had free will, then the description of God doesn't work. That's what I'm saying. You can't have your cake and eat it too, the fact of the matter is that in the Judao christian God is said to have:

1. Created the humans. Crafting the characteristics that make them intrinsically "us".

2. Knows every thing that will come to pass.

Based on that description, some of us are made by God simply for the purpose of failure. You can try to ramble about God being not bound by time, but you can't just throw out all logic just because "it's God lols".

Right, so god either isn't all knowing, didn't create the universe, or I'm a slave to some cosmic asshole who's responsible for everything wrong in the world.

I say we give god a break and admit it doesn't know everything.

He's not responsible... WE ARE. We have free will, and made all our choices ourselves. He just was there to see it happen, before it happened.

Can you blame him for making you alive? Really?