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Mensrea on 08 August 2013
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happydolphin said:
Mensrea said:
I feel like it's a cop out answer simply made to justify the existence of God.

If God knows everything, and made us, then he made some of us knowing we would sin. You can't just say "well it doesn't apply to God." Because based on those characteristics, he has to know, and he has to have made some of us to fail.

If he did, then we simply never had free will. It is based again on the idea that all our choices trickle one from the other. But if we had free will, that determinism is impossible.

So if God knew, it's simply because he knows, not because he saw a pattern, but because he knows WITHOUT a pattern.

That's where my mind was blown. And it makes sense, because he had to have been there to know, and the bible states that he is the Alfa and the Omega, and that he is not bound by time... it's insane.


You being contradictory. Your saying if we had free will, then the description of God doesn't work. That's what I'm saying. You can't have your cake and eat it too, the fact of the matter is that in the Judao christian God is said to have:

1. Created the humans. Crafting the characteristics that make them intrinsically "us".

2. Knows every thing that will come to pass.

 

Based on that description, some of us are made by God simply for the purpose of failure. You can try to ramble about God being not bound by time, but you can't just throw out all logic just because "it's God lols".