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MonstaMack on 03 August 2013
JoeTheBro said:
If it comes to PC, it will come to next gen. Both systems are so similar it would be a waste not to.

Wii U? Iwata laughs.


This makes the most sense. Aren't the PS4 and XB1 identical in terms of porting from the PC? They should obviously make a PC version and then go from there.

Next gen any game that comes to PC should be XB1 and PS4 (with the exception of exclusives) and visa versa.

I don't know anything about porting to Wii U though, so it might be a bit of a risk for Take Two to go that route.



It's just that simple.

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Zero999 on 03 August 2013
Mr Khan said:
Seece said:

I would say Ubisoft have 'treated' Nintendo fans and have got jack shit in return.

There are certain games that should and shouldn't go to WiiU, GTAV is the latter, it's on too many other platforms with people likely to pick it up, and Nintendo fans don't typically buy into mature rated games.

Give it the Rayman Legends, the Plants Vs Zombies ect but not GTAV, The Division ect.

Nintendo fans buy quality. Unless we're going to dispute the quality of grand theft auto.

We don't buy disrespect (like Mass Effect 3)

Other games did well if we take the small userbase into consideration.

that is so true. I, for example, would have bought the wii u at launch if I had the money. and I would definetely buy mass effect 3 for it, but with the trilogy releasing a week before on everywhere but wii u, the only thing EA would get from me is a big FY.



czecherychestnut on 03 August 2013

What are you going on about? I don't care if GTA5 comes to Wii U. I'm just saying it makes sense. Ubisoft said it was easy to port PS360 titles to Wii U and cost about a million bucks to do it. If Rockstar sold 100k they would easily cover costs. The rest is gravy.


What I'm on about is that it mightn't make sense to port GTA5 across to Wii U. Yes, Ubisoft said games cost less than 1 million to port across, but you need to keep in mind what games they were referring to when they made that statement. At the time Wii U games from Ubisoft were Your Shape: Fitness Evolved, Sports Connection, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Online, and Assassins Creed 3. Out of those games, only Assassin's Creed 3 would be anywhere near the size and complexity of GTA5. So the 1 million dollar port cost point is likely not valid for a game the size of GTA5. 

If the port did cost 1 million dollars, the other question might be why the hell nintendo isn't paying that themselves to Rockstar? Surely even Nintendo can see the positive impact having GTA5 on the Wii U would have, and for $1 million dollars? Thats chump change for Ninty. The fact it hasn't yet, might indicate that it really is a lot higher cost than what you proposed, and therefore not economical to do. 



chapset on 03 August 2013
Zero999 said:
bananaking21 said:
it would be the stupidest thing ever if rockstar released the game on the WiiU

A company making money is stupid now?

which ones made money on the wii U?



Bet reminder: I bet with Tboned51 that Splatoon won't reach the 1 million shipped mark by the end of 2015. I win if he loses and I lose if I lost.

Cobretti2 on 03 August 2013
Seece said:
Cobretti2 said:
Seece said:

I wasn't talking about userbase size, I doubt you would have got a much better reaction from Nintendo fans on the Wii's 100 mill userbase. It's not up to third parties to build WiiU's userbase, remotely.

None of those games did ok and your reasoning is so poor "EA kicked Nintendo fans in the guy" dude the majority don't even know what EA is. It's all excuses as always.

It absolutely is up to them to grow their franchises on all mediums possible if they want to increase budgets to make a profit. 

Do you think the playsation would still be around if it wasn't for 3rd party support? The fact is 3rd parties hellped the userbase grown on plastation as it did on xbox this gen.

To call Nintendo fans stupid for not knowing what EA is is ignorant at best as the core woudl be adults that have disposable income and own multiple consoles. 

You're spot on, point out where I said differently?

I didn't say Nintendo fans were stupid for not knowing who EA were, I said outside of the forums (and we're not as large a group as you think compared to the hundreds of millions who have bought gaming consoles) nobody is likely to know anything about EA or their antics.

Evidently if they don't see opportunity on a platform they're not going to bother, given take two seem to know what they're doing lately with their franchises I think they know better.

What I find amuzing is that you talk about 100s of missions of people yet the Wii U hasn't even sold 100s of millions of units. The people who own the WIi U atm are most likely 90% NIntendo core, these are the people we are talking about. Most of them know EA's antics hence why they got fuck all sales.

How will they know what the opportunities are if they do not try? Why did developers back the original playstation over N64 (apart form moneyhatting)? many franchises jumped ship that were stellar hits on the SNES and the fanbase would have been there if the games come to the N64.



 

 

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milkyjoe on 03 August 2013
bananaking21 said:


Rockstar never had a presence on nintendo consoles, why should they bother with the WiiU now? GTA fans are spread between the PS3, Xbox 360 and a bit for the PC. their other games like RDR, L.A noire, and max payne all skipped nintendo consoles. my point is, they do NOT have a fanbase on nintendo consoles. yes china town wars sold 1.2M but thats on a console that sold 150+ and everybody had it, the game had a 93 metacritic, so it isnt the games fault. other than that game GTA has never been on a nintendo console. then look at the CoD sales on the WiiU, a very low 190K. thats CoD and thats a franchise that HAD a fanbase on nintendo consoles before which sold between 1.4-1.8 million. then on the WiiU it performed 190K. If CoD sold that bad why wouldnt GTA? specially when it doesnt have a fanbase on the console. 

add to that is that Nintendo is a brand that is family friendly, whether nintendo likes it or not it is. a huge chunk of its sales comes from parents buying it for their kids, that audince simply isnt interested in games like GTA. and probably the most important factor is that porting a game with the scale of GTA wont be easy and cheap. this game is HUGE. the maps is extremely huge. the content is unbelievably high and rockstar have their standards. porting everything to the WiiU wont be easy, wont be cheap and wont be fast. it will take tons of resources and time to do it and all for what? a few hundered thousand? their fanbase is already on the PS360, why bother?  ohh and it doesnt help that the WiiU sales are beyond horrible at this point (i just remembered to add this right before pressing post)

so to sum it up

1- rockstar never had a presence on nintendo consoles

2- all their fans already have atleast one of the two consoles, except maybe the few PC fans

3- Even though CoD had its fan base and fans on the Wii the WiiU version of CoD only sold 190K

4- A lot of WiiU owners are kids who are interested in games like mario and mario kart, games that are generally targeted towards kids. kids who arent interested in games like GTA

5- lengthy and costly porting of the game that simply wont be worth it, specially considering how big GTA5 is

6- extremely bad WiiU sales.

so yes, mainly due to those reasons i think porting GTA5 to WiiU would be an extremely stupid idea that simply wont have any benifit towards rockstar what so ever

Rockstar had an exclusive partnership with Nintendo when they were known as DMA Design.

GTA games are definitely played by kids in the same way that CoD is.

Revisionism isn't good.



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Zero999 on 03 August 2013
Seece said:
Mr Khan said:
Seece said:
Mr Khan said:
 

The core fans who know who EA are are also the ones who would drive sales in the early adoption phase. EA did exactly what they intended to do and got poor sales as a result.

Don't buy it, have to agree to disagree, if its true then it's even more stupid, cutting your nose off to spite your face. If you want a decent game you like just buy it, and they were quality.

There are some cold hard facts people just refuse to accept and that's that games like GTA won't sell on WiiU in any good numbers whilst they're on multiple other systems which appeal to that type of gamer. Until we see any evidence suggesting they do I don't know how anyone can argue it?

Until we see evidence that they don't, I have to see the belief that they won't as buying into stereotypes.

Edit: And i agree it was quite stupid. EA *did* cut off their collective noses to spite their face, and now are limited to only two viable platforms. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

We've seen enough evidence, you're just covering it up.

EA have put out third party games on the WiiU, they've done their bit. It's evidently not a loss to them, Nintendo are not viable for their games.

Put this on your head: EA released sh#t on wii u. and no, we haven't seen any evidence that games like gtav will sell badly on wii u. we know nintendo fan base actually buy third party games when they release.



Seece on 03 August 2013
Cobretti2 said:
Seece said:
Cobretti2 said:
Seece said:

I wasn't talking about userbase size, I doubt you would have got a much better reaction from Nintendo fans on the Wii's 100 mill userbase. It's not up to third parties to build WiiU's userbase, remotely.

None of those games did ok and your reasoning is so poor "EA kicked Nintendo fans in the guy" dude the majority don't even know what EA is. It's all excuses as always.

It absolutely is up to them to grow their franchises on all mediums possible if they want to increase budgets to make a profit. 

Do you think the playsation would still be around if it wasn't for 3rd party support? The fact is 3rd parties hellped the userbase grown on plastation as it did on xbox this gen.

To call Nintendo fans stupid for not knowing what EA is is ignorant at best as the core woudl be adults that have disposable income and own multiple consoles. 

You're spot on, point out where I said differently?

I didn't say Nintendo fans were stupid for not knowing who EA were, I said outside of the forums (and we're not as large a group as you think compared to the hundreds of millions who have bought gaming consoles) nobody is likely to know anything about EA or their antics.

Evidently if they don't see opportunity on a platform they're not going to bother, given take two seem to know what they're doing lately with their franchises I think they know better.

What I find amuzing is that you talk about 100s of missions of people yet the Wii U hasn't even sold 100s of millions of units. The people who own the WIi U atm are most likely 90% NIntendo core, these are the people we are talking about. Most of them know EA's antics hence why they got fuck all sales.

How will they know what the opportunities are if they do not try? Why did developers back the original playstation over N64 (apart form moneyhatting)? many franchises jumped ship that were stellar hits on the SNES and the fanbase would have been there if the games come to the N64.


Because they're not impressed with what they've seen (regarding sales?) and that relations between third parties and Nintendo are poor (Nintendo don't try remotely here, they and fans just expect third parties to support the system) you realise Sony and MS have huge evangelism teams that exist soley to woo third parties right? They make an effort. Lastly, you're just spouting out a load of 'what if's' 'how will we know unless they try'. Yeah, not good enough, third parties shouldn't take such risks.

GTAV is gonna sell 25 mill plus on PS360 (and PC, X1/PS4 should they come) even if they could make a small profit on Wiiu, it's not worth the time and effort when they're selling so much elsewhere.

At the end of the day though this is all just discussion. It's evident third parties for the most part have already made up their mind, and that is that WiiU is not a viable platform for them, end of.

@ Zero - WiiU had an exclusive  third party zombie game and it sold poorly. Now imagine how it would have done if it was on PS360 and PS4/X1



 

t3mporary_126 on 03 August 2013
czecherychestnut said:

Its not some conspiracy, its just business. The question is why isn't Ninty buying 3rd party support like MS did in the early days of 360 when they raked in billions in profits with the Wii? What are they doing with that money? It doesn't seem like they spend it on more dev teams, so what is it being used for?


I agree with majority of your post. But Nintendo isn't a huge company like Sony or Microsoft. It's worth only 6 billion US $ whereas companies like Disney are worth $60 billion. They dont have the money to snatch every big multiplatfrom game so they rather focus on exclusive partnership like Platinum and Sega recently. Plus GTA isn't as huge as COD (which i believe Nintendo helps fund for for its own consoles).

Frequently paying for multiplatform game is a bad spending habit, especially with Nintendo's revent struggle with launching the 3DS and Wii U. Relying on first party and exclusive game is better until their revenue becomes mich biggrt than it is now.



hinch on 03 August 2013
LilChicken22 said:
bananaking21 said:
it would be the stupidest thing ever if rockstar released the game on the WiiU

Makes a harsh statement, doesn't give arguments, ChinaTown sold more on DS than PSP, doesn't get banned. I get banned for calling The Last of Us an interactive movie.

Calling TLOU an interactive movie is disingenuous. Especially coming from a person who probably has not even played the the game or completed it. It's FAR and away from an interactive movie. If you were to call Heavy Rain a interactive movie, you'd maybe stand some ground on that one but no, that's not the case.

That and the fact that bananaking actually replied to what he said earlier and given his reasons why.