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snyps said:
Screamapillar said:

It's nowhere near as much a waste of money as the War on Drugs is.

Pennies.  Chump change.



agree. but with the magic of inflation we can afford it all.


Yeah.  I mean the rapid destruction of our currency is going to be our undoing, not terrorism or whatever the "war or terror" is supposed to be.



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Wow thats insane. maybe they should cut funding?



spurgeonryan said:
the2real4mafol said:
I never knew terrorists were better off than actual hard working civilians. Certainly a great reason to shut down Guantanamo, even though there were many reasons to close it anyway.

I'm sure America would be a far better place if it ended it's $700 billion military budget. A lot of domestic areas of spending have been ignored for far too long.


I am certain that we could cut our defense budget in half and still be perfectly fine. Would be a great start! Is 350 billion enough? We already have most of the equipment, so why do we need 700 billion a year? We have the nukes, soldiers, bases, ships, planes, weapons, gear, missiles, etc. What are we still spending 700 billion a year on?

 

To let the contractors and other business off slowly, I suggest we slowly bring it down by half. Maybe over 2-3 years. Don't want to dump a million jobs all at once.

If i was running America i would cut the military budget down to $100 billion but i would cut it gradually over the years. I would close most or all foreign US military bases, cut the nuclear arsenal by half (which is still 4,000 odd nukes) at least, i would stop use of drones out there completely. Just generally take every step to stop America from being world police, the way it was in world politics up until 1914. Powerful but not interfering. For some reason, America still spends on military like it's the cold war still. But, with such a high ownership of guns, why does America need an army? 

All that money saved could benefit America's in many ways. It would modernise America's public education system, help find a healthcare solution for all, help pay to fix and improve the aging infrastructure and help reduce the obscenely large debt. Even cutting the budget by half, would help.  



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Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
I never knew terrorists were better off than actual hard working civilians. Certainly a great reason to shut down Guantanamo, even though there were many reasons to close it anyway.

I'm sure America would be a far better place if it ended it's $700 billion military budget. A lot of domestic areas of spending have been ignored for far too long.

Where do you get that from this?


They aren't better off... it's just expensive as fuck to run an out of the coutnry maxium dentention center for terrorists.

 

There are ~160 prisoenors there.

For those 160 prisoners they have 2,000 employees from  guards, interegators, cooks, janitors, doctors, pscyiatrists not to mention the higher ups... and since these guys are military you can't just include their military salaries and healthcare but also have to include their various benefits.

Then you throw in the fact that the soldiers eat for free, have paid entertainment, housing costs, utilities.

 

Basically these guards get paid a full salary, free healthcare, free living arrangements, free food, free entertainment... etc.

Throw in stuff like....

•  $14.1 million for prisoner review boards for the 71 captives at Guantánamo who are currently not cleared for release, convicted of crimes or awaiting trial;

•  $40 million, already appropriated by Congress for a not-yet-built fiber-optic cable linking the base to Florida;

•  $56.9 million for contractors, including intelligence analysts, librarians and linguists;

•  $65.9 million to the Navy base, which functions as a landlord to the detention center zone, and charges for use of its facilities, including prison staff housing;

•  $116 million for the base’s war court complex, including security, translation and computer services as well as charter fights between Washington and Guantánamo.

It adds up fast.

They get $2.3 million spent on them per person per year, no ordinary person has that much spent on them. Even if that money is spent on torturing them. But to me Guantanamo just shows how spineless Bush was. He knew he wouldn't get away with it in America, so he forces a country like Cuba against it's will to house it. 

Also, i don't see how all that spending is worth it just to keep 160 terrorists locked up. It has made no difference to these terrorist organisations anyway, they can always recruit more. And i know they are military but why do they deserve all that? Healthcare and food is a given, but everything else shouldn't be free. They get paid, don't they? 

I think for the small amount of people involved, it's just not worth it to be honest. All that money could be helpful somewhere else, that could be enough to give universal health insurance to the public, regardless of whether they are employed or not. 



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I have a simple solution: throw everyone against whom there is enough evidence to a regular prison, let everyone else out. That's what you do it what everyone else, and that's what's typically called 'justice' in the West: innocent until proven otherwise.



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epicgamer49 said:
Wow thats insane. maybe they should cut funding?


well republicans like funding idiotic stuff. if it helps the people it has to go.  



Kasz216 said:
tres said:
 


and in america we have more prisoners than the entire world combine because its a for profit business

First off.  Recorded number of prisoners.  I'd guess you'd find a number of countries have us beat by them selves in actuality.  Eaisest example is China who's numbers don't count reducation slave camps, political prisoners, and many other types of people locked up for "administrative" reasons.

The Slave camps alone almost match the US prison population.

Do you have a source for that? A quick google search pointed me to an Amnesty International report, which mentioned a number of 260.000 people in such camps, but that is just about 1/10th the number of prisoners in the USA. The report also mentions political prisoners, saying that the absence of data makes it hard to say how many there are, but they estimate a few thousand.

The information I could find did not point to China actually having more prisoners than the USA (despite China having five times as many citizens and a badass human rights image).



the2real4mafol said:

If i was running America i would cut the military budget down to $100 billion but i would cut it gradually over the years. I would close most or all foreign US military bases, cut the nuclear arsenal by half (which is still 4,000 odd nukes) at least, i would stop use of drones out there completely. Just generally take every step to stop America from being world police, the way it was in world politics up until 1914. Powerful but not interfering. For some reason, America still spends on military like it's the cold war still. But, with such a high ownership of guns, why does America need an army?

Let's face it, todays understanding of military defense has nothing to do with the classical understanding of defending the actual territory of the country, against offensive military troops trying to cross the borders and take over control of the territory. Todays "defense" is more about protecting our own economic well-being now and in the near future, access and control of critical natural resources in other countries etc. As a comedian over here likes to say: "For us christians it's hard to understand why god buried our precious oil right under the crazy muslims feet." ;)



Zkuq said:
I have a simple solution: throw everyone against whom there is enough evidence to a regular prison, let everyone else out. That's what you do it what everyone else, and that's what's typically called 'justice' in the West: innocent until proven otherwise.

This. I can't even imagine how much will it cost USA to compensate those that will eventually be found innocent, not to mention the reputation backlash for the whole nation.



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ArnoldRimmer said:
the2real4mafol said:

If i was running America i would cut the military budget down to $100 billion but i would cut it gradually over the years. I would close most or all foreign US military bases, cut the nuclear arsenal by half (which is still 4,000 odd nukes) at least, i would stop use of drones out there completely. Just generally take every step to stop America from being world police, the way it was in world politics up until 1914. Powerful but not interfering. For some reason, America still spends on military like it's the cold war still. But, with such a high ownership of guns, why does America need an army?

Let's face it, todays understanding of military defense has nothing to do with the classical understanding of defending the actual territory of the country, against offensive military troops trying to cross the borders and take over control of the territory. Todays "defense" is more about protecting our own economic well-being now and in the near future, access and control of critical natural resources in other countries etc. As a comedian over here likes to say: "For us christians it's hard to understand why god buried our precious oil right under the crazy muslims feet." ;)

Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to just coopearate? 

Also, our American and European governments need to understand, we are in decline. There's nothing to stop our decline, especially with the ever lasting recession being a massive advantage to Asia. The sooner, we get over our own arrogance, we might see peace hopefully. It's not really worth fighting over resources that will run out when we have the technology around for solutions which are ignorantly ignored currently. 



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