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@Vette
yeah Noctis visited Linkz and Links visited Nacho.
My role is a little more complicated than watcher though so Night 2, I tested my suspicion of Yoshi and found him to be town.



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Vetteman94 said:
benao87 said:
Baalzamon claimed he had issues with his PC, and that he was using his phone. He logged 7 hours ago, but his last post was in this thread.
Trashleg hasn't logged in 4 days, her last posts were also on this thread.

We can't really do much guys, just wait the mod to be so kind to assist us with this issue.

We must definitely focus on the ones that are playing, and hoping that they do not hold important roles.


There is as much of a chance at the ones not showing up are mafia as the chance that they are town.  There is no reason to only focus on the ones posting.

The reason is that we can't really test nor confirm anything if they are not going to post. Even if somebody brings up some information about them, it could  be bogus, and there is no way to counter it, if they do not post.

I do agree that they do pose a significant threat, as they could be very well mafia, and hiding in their absence, but, there is still game with the ones that are posting. For example, you mention a mafia of 3 players, even if baalz and trashleg are scum, there is a third one around. And do not forget the 3rd party.



Vetteman94 said:
Linkzmax said:

Vette, who else do you suspect?


Unfortunately, everyone now,

Mostly still trashleg, Baalz and Noctis and now you can add Yoshiya into the mix as well,  his story just isnt adding up.

How so? I was at someone whose alignment was ambiguous due to the way he was playing making him a prime target for cop/tracker or any other number of roles which I could be. He just happened to die that Night so the person that openly admits to have being there without even any reason to do so has to be the killer? If I was mafia/3rd party, don't you think I wait to see what Noctis' role was so I wouldn't dig myself into a hole?



Vetteman94 said:
Nachomamma8 said:
morenoingrato said:
Nachomamma8 said:

The answer is right above your post. 

Well, he is pretty sure of that to the point of making me rather suspicious.

Also, IMO, we should put some slight pressure on trashleg.

Why should we pressure trashleg?

Vetteman94 said:
Nachomamma8 said:
Vetteman94 said:
Nachomamma8 said:
Vote: Astrogamer

Yoshiya claiming a kill on someone who wasn't killed by the scumteam makes him very likely town. Who are your suspects, keeping that in mind? Please don't just give me the names of people who haven't posted yet...


Where did he claim the kill? All he claimed was he was at Stefl's.  He could be a cop/ roleblocker/bus driver or a number of other different roles.  

Explain your vote?

He didn't claim the kill, but I was interested in seeing how he would react if I assumed he did. If doctor protected someone other than Noctis last night, Yoshiya is still probably town; it makes no sense for him not to shoot someone who he has pegged as a watcher, even less so when the watcher possibly caught him doing something he shouldn't be doing. I am voting Astro because I don't like his gameplay in general and want to clarify his stances on a few things. My vote will never move if his only suspicions are lurkers.

They may have already had their kill in,  by that time,  considering it was only about 6 hours before the end of night.  

And now Noctis claims he isnt the watcher so now all we have is yoshiya claiming he was there and Stefl is dead.

Could you explain why this matters? I read that Stefl died by someone with good intentions while someone else died by lightning, so I'm honestly not all that worried in finding the killer with good intentions. Why are you?

Im not buying that they were good intentions for the town.  Especially with Stefls role in limbo.   Plus never in any of the games have I seen a Vigilante been a poisoner,  only Serial Killers.  Which make them 3rd party, and therefore not town.  

when i am told the killer has good intentions by the moderator, i tend to believe it.



Linkzmax said:
Nachomamma8 said:
Linkzmax said:

And as for the intentions of the killer being good, that means Stefl's killer was either 3rd party gunning for mafia or a town "vig". I'd have to lean the latter as even 3rd party trying to hit mafia is still a threat to town.

So Nacho, did you kill Stefl?

Why would I answer this with another night imminent? 

I didn't expect you to reply within the Night, and not for a couple of days actually. And I was hoping you'd jump at a chance to "confirm" yourself.

Hm.



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Nachomamma8 said:
Vetteman94 said:
Nachomamma8 said:
morenoingrato said:
Nachomamma8 said:

The answer is right above your post. 

Well, he is pretty sure of that to the point of making me rather suspicious.

Also, IMO, we should put some slight pressure on trashleg.

Why should we pressure trashleg?

Vetteman94 said:
Nachomamma8 said:
Vetteman94 said:
Nachomamma8 said:
Vote: Astrogamer

Yoshiya claiming a kill on someone who wasn't killed by the scumteam makes him very likely town. Who are your suspects, keeping that in mind? Please don't just give me the names of people who haven't posted yet...


Where did he claim the kill? All he claimed was he was at Stefl's.  He could be a cop/ roleblocker/bus driver or a number of other different roles.  

Explain your vote?

He didn't claim the kill, but I was interested in seeing how he would react if I assumed he did. If doctor protected someone other than Noctis last night, Yoshiya is still probably town; it makes no sense for him not to shoot someone who he has pegged as a watcher, even less so when the watcher possibly caught him doing something he shouldn't be doing. I am voting Astro because I don't like his gameplay in general and want to clarify his stances on a few things. My vote will never move if his only suspicions are lurkers.

They may have already had their kill in,  by that time,  considering it was only about 6 hours before the end of night.  

And now Noctis claims he isnt the watcher so now all we have is yoshiya claiming he was there and Stefl is dead.

Could you explain why this matters? I read that Stefl died by someone with good intentions while someone else died by lightning, so I'm honestly not all that worried in finding the killer with good intentions. Why are you?

Im not buying that they were good intentions for the town.  Especially with Stefls role in limbo.   Plus never in any of the games have I seen a Vigilante been a poisoner,  only Serial Killers.  Which make them 3rd party, and therefore not town.  

when i am told the killer has good intentions by the moderator, i tend to believe it.

again that means nothing,  it never states the good intentions were for the town.  And again there isnt a pro town role that posions that i am aware of



Yoshiya said:
Vetteman94 said:
Linkzmax said:

Vette, who else do you suspect?


Unfortunately, everyone now,

Mostly still trashleg, Baalz and Noctis and now you can add Yoshiya into the mix as well,  his story just isnt adding up.

How so? I was at someone whose alignment was ambiguous due to the way he was playing making him a prime target for cop/tracker or any other number of roles which I could be. He just happened to die that Night so the person that openly admits to have being there without even any reason to do so has to be the killer? If I was mafia/3rd party, don't you think I wait to see what Noctis' role was so I wouldn't dig myself into a hole?

You could have been trying to do what I did,  come clean before you were accused of anything.  It makes you look less guilty.  

Although it seems that you have been cleared by what looks to be a Cop/Watcher Hybrid or something.  Sounds like a weird role.  



supermario128

Is there a good reason why Stefls role hasnt been revealed? 



Ok so basicly we have that:
Yoshiya admits to have visited stefl the night he died.
Astro claims some sort of watcher, that saw Noctis visiting Linkz and Links visiting Nacho on Night 1, links confirms his part of astro's claim. Additionally, Astro confirms that yoshiya is town, due to Night 2 actions.
Vette claims to be miller.

There is a doctor, and a 3rd party.

There could be a Janitor, however, taking into account that judging from the flavour FF death was caused by mafia, and stefl's from the 3rd party, the janitor would work for the mafia, but I'm leaning towards a ability of Stefl, or the 3rd party instead of a janitor.

Now, yoshiya is in my town list, not only because of admiting being at stefl's the night of his death, but also because of astro's confirmation.

Astro, seems to be pro-town, and his claim was confirmed by linkz, so he might be an asset.

Vette seemed legitimately concerned about the waste of spurge role for town. And his claim puts some trust in his words. I'm leaning town.

 

And Noctis. He seems to be pushing a "scum yoshiya", and he states the possibility of a scenario with no 3rd party, by the content of the first day PM one would assume that there is something else besides mafia, or at least one would not rule out something else. I would add voting for spurge very early and then lurk the whole Day, but spurge made many reasons to support the votes against him.

Vote: Noctis

@noctis what were you doing at linkz night 1?

 

I would greatly appreciate that if there is a bus driver to claim role. Most of this stuff would have to be reconsidered if there is one.



Vetteman94 said:

again that means nothing,  it never states the good intentions were for the town.  And again there isnt a pro town role that posions that i am aware of

I'm pretty sure I've seen someone with a one-shot poison as town before and even if I haven't, there is nothing to stop Mario from having included one in this game. One thing that needs to be remembered is that we haven't actually confirmed the person that killed Stefl was a poisoner, it could have just been a normal SK or Vigilante and Mario chose to talk about him being poisoned in the flavour.