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reggin_bolas said:
ninetailschris said:
chapset said:
reggin_bolas said:
chapset said:
Gay people were always present, look at ancient Rome were they had orgies with only males, it went out of style for a while because of religions and other factors, by that I mean people would hide their sexual attraction to the same gender, now it's back because it's not as frown upon like it used to be.


Of course it's always been present. It still doesn't justify open practice. There is nothing to imply that we should accept same-sex marriage or public display of affection of the same.

Why the fuck you care about what consentent adults do

Why do people care about incest or multiple marriages at once? Hell why do people care about beastiality?

Point being is people always care about what others are doing. Guns,drugs,etc. This isn't any special.


Unity of core values is important for any nation. A divided nation is a weak nation, a divided nation is unable to fend of foreign threats. Eventually, the US should split and quite possibly will split into two because of a growing division between progressive liberalism in democratic states and religious conservatism in republican states.

I know for a fact I don't want to live in a world where marriage and family is a free-for-all. All cultures share sameness in certain practices, customs, norms, and beliefs. When these values and practices start to clash, people start to divide. 

With that said, the United States were and is a Christian state. It has always been a Christian state since the missionaries first erected colonies across the lands. Without Christianity, the lands would still be divided by tribal warfare and barbarism. The technological advances made over the centuries are owed to the Christian culture. It's not about Christianity as a religion, it has to do with Christianity as a culture. This culture has always rejected homosexuality and is responsible for creating the most prosperous and advanced civilizations of all time. 

I don't want to live or raise my children in a debaucherous society. I believe in family, and monagomy. Just as we were designed to live.



Unity of values is generally good, yes. If those values are wrong, then they should be eliminated regardless of the divide it will cause.

Christianity may have helped the country in the past, sure. But that's no reason to force every single Christian value on every single person in the country. That just makes no sense.

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reggin_bolas said:

I am reposting what I wrote earlier in response to this classic gay-rights response.

"You look at the design of the human body and you will come to the conclusion it was only meant to engage in intercourse with another sexually-mature female. The anus is not designed to handle penetration. It ruptures easily and can develop polyps. Same thing with oral sex, studies show a link between oral sex and increased risk of mouth and  throat cancer. This leads a rational person to conclude that the sexual union between a man and a man is unnatural. Same principle with women, only behavior leading to procreation is natural by virtue of our biological design"

In other words, homosexuality violates the design of our bodies and the way we were meant to live.

So you're against medicine then? Afterall, drugs are defined as substances which change the way the body works, medicines just happen to do it in a way which we humans have found to be beneficial



reggin_bolas said:
Wright said:
reggin_bolas said:


Don't give me any hints! I'm more educated and sophisticated than you.


I just realize that you're merely a poor troll. I thought you were better than that.


I don't appreciate "hints" when I possess 2 masters degrees and a law degree. Also, the fact that you labeled the dissidents of gay rights as haters is pathetic. Disagreement = hate. Right? 

How does that make your argument more substantial than others?

Although I agree with the majority of what you are saying (however I personally beleive that it is a mere chemical unabalance that occurs in the womb which causes homosexuality), making claims of master degree this or law degree that on an internet forum where it really is impossible to prove, if anything, takes away from your argument. Those of great intellect do not flaunt it!



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reggin_bolas said:
Jay520 said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
Here is the real issue people never seem to look at.
When you start making it a law that a certain group with a different sexual preference has the right to practice sex how they see fit, it opens up the doors for the others to come forward and claim the same rights

As we speak pedophiles, Nambla, and scientist and therapist are now pushing to change the definition of rape and child rape.
If one persons unnatural sex life is accepted then we have to accept everyone elses sexual preferences too because they also cannot help it.
Pedophiles cannot help how they feel. They were born that way so it should be perfectly fine for them to have sex with children. According to gays they cant help it so it should be accepted so now according tot hem pedophiles are okay too. rapist cannot help their sexual urges so their rights should be protected too.

If its how someone was made, then it should be okay for them to live that life..Isnt that what many of you said here yourself... Then you must also except every other persons sexual preferences because they were born that way.


The argument that homosexuality should be accepted has little to do with the fact that "its just the way people are". It's based on the fact that it doesn't harm anyone. So there's no reason to reject it. If there's no reason to reject something, then it should be accepted by default.

I am reposting what I wrote earlier in response to this classic gay-rights response.

"You look at the design of the human body and you will come to the conclusion it was only meant to engage in intercourse with another sexually-mature female. The anus is not designed to handle penetration. It ruptures easily and can develop polyps. Same thing with oral sex, studies show a link between oral sex and increased risk of mouth and  throat cancer. This leads a rational person to conclude that the sexual union between a man and a man is unnatural. Same principle with women, only behavior leading to procreation is natural by virtue of our biological design"

In other words, homosexuality violates the design of our bodies and the way we were meant to live.



Post link to support your points.

naruball said:
Wright said:
reggin_bolas said:

Classic desperation. When you homosexuals lose arguments you resort to the usual personal attacks. Same thing with minorities, if you keep disagreeing with them they will eventually call you racist. 


You keep ignoring me, though. I've proven that those who actually led to mankind's greatness (you know, the ancient greek) accepted homosexuality.

 

And Plato was bisexual. You should read Bouquet. (Or whatever his notes about love and romance was called)

Sorry, dude but that's not true. There is no way to determine whether he was straight, gay or bi. I'm a classist, doing a phd and the Symposium (means "the banquet") is part of my research. Seems to me that you haven't read it. Basically in the dialogue there are 7 main speakers, one of which is Socrates and only one of the seven talks about men being born with two heads, four arms etc and being split into two and seeking their other half their entire lives. There's no indication which speaker Plato agrees the most with. No serious scholar has writen any articles on Plato being bi or whatever. That would be nothing but speculation. Even if we assume that Socrates expresses Plato's views, in this dialogue, Socrates does not talk about love between men or women specifically. He talks mostly about love between men and women (with only a few ambiguous passages). 

Also, another misconception is that homosexulity was acceptable in Greece or Rome around 5th-1st cBC. It wasn't. Only certain types were acceptable and everything else heavily criticized. I'm not gonna go into detail, as I don't know if anyone wants to hear about it. Just wanted to point out that that's a common misconception.

As for the topic, Spurge was specific. If you disagree with homosexuality, stay out of this thread. Not sure if certain people here have bad comprehension skills or simply can't help themselves. If it's the latter, then they need to get some professional help, as it seriously doesn't affect their lives, but their words and actions affect those of others. Such hatred is misplaced and should thus not exist.

Anyway. To answer the question, it's definitely not evolution as many people rightly pointed out, but it does seem to me to be an anomaly. And I don't say that in a disrespectful way (I'm gay myself). It's just outside the norm along with so many other things in  life. We're all different in a way; it's just that we focus on some things that are different over other things. Some people are lactose intolerant, some others have insanely good memory, others incredibly good/fast metabolism. I think all these are anomalies (i.e. ouside the norm), but so what?

As for the argument about the "unbiased" "majority" thinking that homosexuality is bad, digusting, etc, the same thing could have been said about the majority of people 50 years ago and their feelings towards interacial couples, women voting/having equal rights and so on. The majority didn't like Black people for being black and I'm sure they felt unbiased, but that didn't make them any less wrong.  

In the last paragraph you are just plain wrong. The difference is that people of all races throughout time have rejected homosexuality because it is patently unnatural and therefore offensive to the rational faculties. It isn't unnatural to have a sexual union between people of different ethnicities. That has been a common practice throughout antiquity.

Interracial relations have only been rejected out of specific ideologies such as national socialism.



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reggin_bolas said:
Zero999 said:
reggin_bolas said:
Seece said:
reggin_bolas said:

It's just an opinion but homosexuality is offensive to all human senses. It's blatantly unnatural (and no, just because it occurs doesn't make it natural).

It's not an evolution because it has occured for as long as we have been on the planet. It is a societal evolution though; one which proceeds pari passu with progressive liberalism and atheism. 


Except yes, because it just occurs it makes it natural, nothing unnatural about it.


Because cannibalism occurs its natural. Because pedophilia exists it makes it natural. I think you need to rethink what you wrote. Natural means meaningful or purposeful by design. The cosmos is not without error and deviation. 

just a hint for you, homosexuality doesn't negatively impact the two or more involved in the act.


Don't give me any hints! I'm more educated and sophisticated than you. You look at the design of the human body and you will come to the conclusion it was only meant to engage in intercourse with another sexually-mature female. The anus is not designed to handle penetration. It ruptures easily and can develop polyps. Same thing with oral sex, studies show a link between oral sex and increased risk of mouth and  throat cancer. This leads a rational person to conclude that the sexual union between a man and a man is unnatural. Same principle with women, only behavior leading to procreation is natural by virtue of our biological design.

Italic: taking a shit can have the same result should we stop that too?

underline bold: dude you are full of shit your Phd in bible studies as fed you only misinformation and fail science, I am reporting you for being wrong on the Internet



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chapset said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
chapset said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
chapset said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
Here is the real issue people never seem to look at.
When you start making it a law that a certain group with a different sexual preference has the right to practice sex how they see fit, it opens up the doors for the others to come forward and claim the same rights

As we speak pedophiles, Nambla, and scientist and therapist are now pushing to change the definition of rape and child rape.
If one persons unnatural sex life is accepted then we have to accept everyone elses sexual preferences too because they also cannot help it.
Pedophiles cannot help how they feel. They were born that way so it should be perfectly fine for them to have sex with children. According to gays they cant help it so it should be accepted so now according tot hem pedophiles are okay too. rapist cannot help their sexual urges so their rights should be protected too.

If its how someone was made, then it should be okay for them to live that life..Isnt that what many of you said here yourself... Then you must also except every other persons sexual preferences because they were born that way.

I think there is a difference between two consenting adults and grown ups having sex with children who are not develop enough to be consentant, same thing for rape where one of the individual is not consentant at all.


Nope sorry, you cant have it both ways. We need to accept gays cause they were born that way well pedophiles and  rapist are born that way too. In ancient times and even up til 100 years ago or so we allowed people as low as age 12 to be married. If they could make that decision then, they can make it now. Besides those kids may also be born that way and like being with older adults. Its their right if they wish to do what makes them happy.

 

You cannot say only certain people get to be how they were born to be but everyone else has to conform to set standards.

key word, CONSENTEMENT


Key words. Born that way.. Stop trying to justify your bias and double standards. If a child consents to sex and that is what he wants, he should be just as free as any homosexual person to explore those feelings with whomever they wish. Much the same way you want gays to have every right to do and say and act however they please.

again kid. BORN THAT WAY. If you cant argue the point then you obviously dont have anything to offer or back up your side of the argument

 

Want to comment back? Explain why one group gets to live life however they see fit cause they were "born that way" but another group also" born that way" does not. Many people have sex at or around 13. What difference does it make what age the other person is if that is what the person wants?

You cant do it. You cannot do it without showing your bias and doublestandards. Like most gays you dont want equality. you want superiority. You want your lifestyle accepted while everyone else lives in fear and hides.

First you say gay people are the same as rapist don't you see how dumb that is? second the vast majority of pedophiliacs relationships are kids being abused by their relatives if you to blind to see the difference between those and two adult agreeing to have sex go argue with someone else. That's not double standard that's freaking common sense and finally who the fuck lives in fear of gays do you think you can attract gayness or what

Just want to the argument he made with rapist is poor. But also the argument that pedophiles are abused adults is false on every level. Historically it was  not uncommon for men to marry 10-14 year olds. Chinese history has this. America earlier years. There are democratic countries today that allow sex with minors. The truth is some people just like little boys or girls and get turn-on by them. Just gays get turn on by men. Many of both have never been abuse. This is like saying rapist rape because of mental disease when it's a learnt behavior. You both are throwing generalization after generalization without looking up this stuff. Question you say vast but do you have an actual study showing from country where it legal to have sex with minor and marry and it shows the "vast " only do because of being sexually abuse?

Fred Berlin, M.D., a John Hopkins University associate professor of psychiatry said that he views pedophilia as another sexual orientation like heterosexuality. 



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Jay520 said:
reggin_bolas said:
Jay520 said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
Here is the real issue people never seem to look at.
When you start making it a law that a certain group with a different sexual preference has the right to practice sex how they see fit, it opens up the doors for the others to come forward and claim the same rights

As we speak pedophiles, Nambla, and scientist and therapist are now pushing to change the definition of rape and child rape.
If one persons unnatural sex life is accepted then we have to accept everyone elses sexual preferences too because they also cannot help it.
Pedophiles cannot help how they feel. They were born that way so it should be perfectly fine for them to have sex with children. According to gays they cant help it so it should be accepted so now according tot hem pedophiles are okay too. rapist cannot help their sexual urges so their rights should be protected too.

If its how someone was made, then it should be okay for them to live that life..Isnt that what many of you said here yourself... Then you must also except every other persons sexual preferences because they were born that way.


The argument that homosexuality should be accepted has little to do with the fact that "its just the way people are". It's based on the fact that it doesn't harm anyone. So there's no reason to reject it. If there's no reason to reject something, then it should be accepted by default.

I am reposting what I wrote earlier in response to this classic gay-rights response.

"You look at the design of the human body and you will come to the conclusion it was only meant to engage in intercourse with another sexually-mature female. The anus is not designed to handle penetration. It ruptures easily and can develop polyps. Same thing with oral sex, studies show a link between oral sex and increased risk of mouth and  throat cancer. This leads a rational person to conclude that the sexual union between a man and a man is unnatural. Same principle with women, only behavior leading to procreation is natural by virtue of our biological design"

In other words, homosexuality violates the design of our bodies and the way we were meant to live.



Post link to support your points.

 

No one cares to read lenghty scholarly articles, like that Phd student said; I won't bore you with the details. I'm just posting what I remember reading through my 10 plus years of higher education.

And the part about the anal area is medical common sense. It simply isn't designed to handle penetration by foreign objects. Ask any MD.



reggin_bolas said:

Didn't you know gay rights is equted as civil rights? What do you think the next civil rights cause will be after gay rights? Do you think people will stop advocating for groups of people with historically oppressed interests? It's either the rights of pedophiles, bigamists, or other sexual deviants that will be the next focus.

Progressive liberalism is the single greatest threat to Western civilization, not radical islamism.


You really need stop to bringing up pedophilia in this discussion. A child's brain is not developed enough to give consent and this will not change in the future.

 

Everybody knows that the child's health is at stake when it comes to sexual activity. Not only Christians.



reggin_bolas said:
the2real4mafol said:
reggin_bolas said:

A question for you gay-rights sympathizers. Do you find the idea of polyamory morally acceptable? Should people be allowed to marry more than one spouse? I ask because that's the future of civil rights advocacy.

You people intend to deconstruct (viz, destroy) the concept of family and that will pretty much be the end of this civilization.

No having more than one wife or husband at the same time is just stupid. Simply because you are supposed to be loyal to the one you love. They are the one and only. Personally i think we love all our friends and family, but it's not the same. I don't really know what this has to do with gay rights though. 

Didn't you know gay rights is equted as civil rights? What do you think the next civil rights cause will be after gay rights? Do you think people will stop advocating for groups of people with historically oppressed interests? It's either the rights of pedophiles, bigamists, or other sexual deviants that will be the next focus.

Progressive liberalism is the single greatest threat to Western civilization, not radical islamism.

I see action on the environment and establishment of new laws to tackle "green crimes" such as pollution and illegal logging being the next thing to be honest. Maybe a push to legalise soft drugs like Marijuana and Cannabis. These aren't oppressed causes but were rather ignored over time. 

Also, I hope you realise no is campaigning for Pedophiles and they probably never will and you shouldn't compare them to gays at all. And, i hope you understand Liberalism is about allowing people to do what they want on one condition only, don't harm others in the process. Pedophiles will never be excepted by anyone. 



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