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Jay520 on 01 August 2013
chapset said:

Still if everyone was to ''evolve to be gay'' the number of humans on the planet 100 years from now would be drastically lower, if that logic was to apply to us your could apply it to any other species and would see it doesn't hold logically.

How do you think dinosaurs became extinct?



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PlaystaionGamer on 01 August 2013
axumblade said:
PlaystaionGamer said:
axumblade said:
Strange you mention it because it reminds me of the X-Men and why I fell in love with the series. Mutants are hated by people blindly and sometimes even attacked by those people. Also, some can easily blend in with everybody else whereas others have harder time doing so. There are people who hate themselves for what they are and there are people who embrace it fully. There's a lot of other parallels too but I think I can stop there.


wait.. are all gay people actually confused and have super powers?.. dear lord this is incredible!

You didn't get the memo?!?! 

But seriously, the subtext is there for it to relate to anybody who has been oppressed by a society. 


very true 



zumnupy10 on 01 August 2013

How can it be evolution if gays can't breed ?

But I do think that humanity has evolved by accepting people as they are Instead of judging other by old customs or religion.



kaneada on 01 August 2013
Tom3k said:
kaneada said:
IHateLife said:
Not much an evolution because they generally won't have off springs and so the genes die with them, there are also people that will never come out of the closet and there are bi-sexuals so they won't be completely wiped off the earth. I'm speaking out of logic of course since I'm straight and I have no problems with same sex relations in real life.


Not true...see Sexually Antagonistic Selection...The gene's that produce male homosexuality are gene's that are beneficial to fertility of women, but if passed to men have a feminizing effect. It's been observered that familes where the women are fertile and produce a lot of offspring with each child (especially where the children are predominatnly male) the risk increases that she might pass that set of gene's to a male child. The problem with this theory is that it only explains male homosexuality.

Not all theories suggest that homosexuality is purely genetic either...some suggest that homosexuality can also be caused be hormones that women produce in large quantities during gestation that can effect fetal development. However once again, much like Sexually Antagonistic Selection, this only explains male homosexuality.

I've seen little research on female homosexulity...but I suppose that is understandable given the hostile climate toward male homosexulity.

Interesting read -> http://healthland.time.com/2012/12/13/new-insight-into-the-epigenetic-roots-of-homosexuality/

I'd be curious to see the results on this...I read something similar to this a few months back, but it was a general piece on epigentics and didn't focus on homosexuality...either way, it really seems to take theory A and applies theory B, kind of (emphasis on kind of) saying that hormonal production during gestation can reglate the sensativity of the gene's passed in theory A...pretty cool stuff. 

Thanks for the article :)



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chapset on 01 August 2013
Jay520 said:
chapset said:

Still if everyone was to ''evolve to be gay'' the number of humans on the planet 100 years from now would be drastically lower, if that logic was to apply to us your could apply it to any other species and would see it doesn't hold logically.

How do you think dinosaurs became extinct?

asteroid, drastic climate change, they surely didn't all turn gay



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IIIIITHE1IIIII on 01 August 2013
chapset said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:


Human beings have evolved beyond animalistic needs and limitations. We no longer need to be attracted to the opposite sex in order to pass down our genes, as a direct result of our evolution

Still if everyone was to ''evolve to be gay'' the number of humans on the planet 100 years from now would be drastically lower, if that logic was to apply to us your could apply it to any other species and would see it doesn't hold logically.


Higher population =/= more evolved.

Humans have evolved to the point where even if everyone would suddenly become homosexual, they would still be able to fullfill those needs while keeping their bloodline intact. This is thanks to better understanding and reasoning capabilities. Animals, on the other hand, have not evolved to the point where they would survive such a dramatic change. Surrogate moms and insemination is far, far beyond their current evolution.



IIIIITHE1IIIII on 01 August 2013
zumnupy10 said:
How can it be evolution if gays can't breed ?

But I do think that humanity has evolved by accepting people as they are Instead of judging other by old customs or religion.


False. Gays are not infertile.



chapset on 01 August 2013
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
chapset said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:


Human beings have evolved beyond animalistic needs and limitations. We no longer need to be attracted to the opposite sex in order to pass down our genes, as a direct result of our evolution

Still if everyone was to ''evolve to be gay'' the number of humans on the planet 100 years from now would be drastically lower, if that logic was to apply to us your could apply it to any other species and would see it doesn't hold logically.


Higher population =/= more evolved.

Humans have evolved to the point where even if everyone would suddenly become homosexual, they would still be able to fullfill those needs while keeping their bloodline intact. This is thanks to better understanding and reasoning capabilities. Animals, on the other hand, have not evolved to the point where they would survive such a dramatic change. Surrogate moms and insemination is far, far beyond their current evolution.

The goal of evolution is to strengthen a race not make it weaker, what strength would being gay would bring to the human race?



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IIIIITHE1IIIII on 01 August 2013
chapset said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Higher population =/= more evolved.

Humans have evolved to the point where even if everyone would suddenly become homosexual, they would still be able to fullfill those needs while keeping their bloodline intact. This is thanks to better understanding and reasoning capabilities. Animals, on the other hand, have not evolved to the point where they would survive such a dramatic change. Surrogate moms and insemination is far, far beyond their current evolution.

The goal of evolution is to strengthen a race not make it weaker, what strength would being gay would bring to the human race?


You are asking the wrong question: If people can fulfill their sexual needs while still maintaining their bloodline, what makes one sexuality inferior to the other?

 

The idea that sexual attraction is required for our species to survive is limited to the much less evolved animals surrounding us.



AstroGamer on 01 August 2013

Being gay is not an evolution because one's sexuality is a product of one's environment. The modern world and freer thinking has allowed us to consider being a homosexual a possibility. I do believe however that we were born to be loving beings. How much love comes out and towards whom is dependent on how one's live goes



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