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DJEVOLVE said:

 The money comes down from the top. Meaning CEO's and exacts will give up pay. Pay goes up by 30% as price will only go up by 10%. This is a talking point that has no facts. It's just a talking point. Every time we have raised the minimum wage the economy has grown. However since the 80's pay has been stagnet, so we don't get paid as much as we used to including inflation. So great that you want to beat up on workers as the pay of the rich has skyrocketed. The government used to also pay for 80% of tuition, now it only covers 20%. So we are all getting the shaft and you like that? All good paying jobs also pay less then they used to. A lot can be contributed to free trade deals on both sides of the isle.

CEO's and exec's have more demanding jobs than a fast food cook, and there are fewer qualified candidates for those positions. Thus, it makes sense that they are paid more. The difference between the two is, of course, up for debate, and one that is irrelevant here.

Why will they give up pay? If your answer is government, why not just make everyone's wages equal? If that is a bad idea, at what point is the difference between rich and poor acceptable?

Sure. The growth of the minimum wage hasn't matched inflation. The minimum wage was (according to constant 1996 dollars as represented here), $5.90. The minimum wage apparently comes out to $4.97 today. So, the minimum wage has not been stagnant, it has declined since 1980 (and fluctuated greatly in between). But we have certainly experienced economic growth since then (if GDP is acceptable to you, this is a graph that Google has provided me. I have not checked sources). I do not see the correlation between minimum wage and economic growth that you have asserted. Can you please provide data for it?

Please don't make comments about what I desire. I have not stated a desire to beat up on anyone. That is insulting and dishonest of you to make such assertions.

I did not mention tuition.

Do you have data for a decline in the salary of "good paying jobs," and how do you define what a good paying job is?

Also, I don't do talking points.



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NobleTeam360 said:
Mr Khan said:

If only we truly placed our faith in the Invisible Hand. Our nation of apostates and false prophets have suffered by defying its guiding force.

Hmmm I'm not quite sure how to respond to that .

Heh, if you're not a fan of the politics threads, you won't know that I quite sympathize with your position. I'm just being an ass



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spurgeonryan said:

they made the poor choices in life. they stand there and flip a burger patty and repeat. why do they need more than minimum wage? they did not work hard in schoolb or did drugsb or got kidsb or etc. get a second job then. you pay for your choices in life.

Now this attitude is one that does bother me.  We do not respect work at all.  It is one thing to discuss market realities, but to condemn all low wage workers as lazy or stupid or drug addicts and the poor are all repsonsible for their lot in life is a rather simplistic view ignoring many nuances.

It is perfectly possible to work hard through school studying hard, get a high GPA, be an honor student, do well on your ACT, get a scholarship, go to univeristy, maintain high GPA, study and work the whole way through to avoid debt, study abroad, volunteer, do everything to pad resume, graduate and...you happen to do so in 2008 and the economy goes in the crapper and find yourself working 77 hours a week for minimum wage to  make ends meet.

What bothered me most?  This attitude where I obviously must be an idiot, a slacker or a fool because only "those people" work for minimum wage. I couldn't possibly have done all I was told, been on straight and narrow, and still none of it mattered.  It took me years to finally have a piece of my own company and start to earn a decent living off my income and my investments.  

Sorry if I got a bit hot under the collar, but I repeated got looked down upon because I worked various jobs to save money up as it was obvious no one was going to hire and pay me a decent living.



Almost everyone in America is in the 1%. We have electricity, smart phones, reliable transportation, free education, guaranteed help at emergency rooms, and we don't have an aids epidemic or extreme human rights problems like most of the world's population.

In other words... first world problems.



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Because the good o' USA hasn't had enough inflation as it is.....



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Screamapillar said:
Almost everyone in America is in the 1%. We have electricity, smart phones, reliable transportation, free education, guaranteed help at emergency rooms, and we don't have an aids epidemic or extreme human rights problems like most of the world's population.

In other words... first world problems.

Good job quoting the Koch Brothers' latest blatherings.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Who buys the most fast food - the rich or the poor?

If prices go up due to higher wages, who will get hit the most with the price increases - the rich or the poor?

If you really want to increase wages at businesses, why not reduce government regulations and taxes on these workers? As it stands, every business has to pay 20-30% on top of their wages to pay for government requirements to exist and operate. Remove some of those, and force businesses to use the excess capital to pay better, and to train/hire better quality staff.

As others have said, the issue is inflation. When you increase minimum wages, or wages in a certain sector via manipulation (such as unions in this case), it will have consequences. People will eat out less. They will downsize, and some will be without work. If you're fine with those consequences - feel free to desire such things. I'll just take my Taco Bell dollar and cook at home, resulting in them not having a paycheck, and keep the cash for myself (like others will).



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NobleTeam360 said:
Mr Khan said:
NobleTeam360 said:
How about the government just increase minimum wage to $10.00 per hour instead of the $7.25-$8.50 currently.

Because we're not Communists, thank god.

Well we must be since there is a minimum wage to begin with.


Raising the minimum wage is not a communist stance. MY GOD..... This is why I don't come in these threads. Great you labeled people getting paid better as a communist idea. WE are so far to the right  and you bring up communism. OK facist don't give raises and want to give all the power to big buisiness. Why is every mod so far to the right?

Not sure if your just kidding or not but I'm not coming in any political threads on this site. I used to read them in the past but found that it's just not my place. This site is all hating everyone, not helping everyone. I like helping...



DJEVOLVE said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Mr Khan said:
NobleTeam360 said:
How about the government just increase minimum wage to $10.00 per hour instead of the $7.25-$8.50 currently.

Because we're not Communists, thank god.

Well we must be since there is a minimum wage to begin with.


Raising the wage is not a communist stance. MY GOD..... This is why I don't come in these threads. Great you labeled people getting paid better as a communist. WE are so fare to the right  and you bring up communism. OK facist don't give raises and want to give all the power to big buisiness. Why is everyone mode so far to the right?

That was a joke post in response to Mr. Khan. 



Mr Khan said:
Cubedramirez said:
spurgeonryan said:
15 dollars is idiotic. They place it that high so there is some wriggle room, if mcdonalds doe snot just fire them and hire someone else.

 

That's what the Golden Arches should do. Its ENTRY level work, that means ANYONE can fill it and if they took a simple class in economics they'd understand that salary and wages are paid based on the available pool of prospects.  The larger pool the less you pay, the more exclusive the pool the greater the salary/wage

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Because some people have to make a living off of that, and dignity is more valuable than private property.

Pointless and irrelevant 
 
Increasing the cost of labor without an increase in productivity devalues the money used to purchase the labor, the effects on everyone through increase prices and reduced value of their savings.

It’s not rocket science but sadly it seems people in our country believe in fairy tale economics and false altruism rather than reason and logic.

It’s not McDonald’s responsibility to provide a living wage. It is the responsibility of the employee to take advantage of the opportunity working there provides and use that experience to move on from that restaurant.