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Cubedramirez on 01 August 2013
Mr Khan said:

Value produced, as you said. The value produced by these employees is higher than it was in the past, never mind that they are not personally responsible for the higher productivity. If they produce more value, they are worth more.

 

They’re nuances to running a business. An owner has to weigh the cost benefit ratio on every single move they make because so many people are invested in their success. Employees, customers, suppliers and the local community; that’s on top of the person who forked over the three hundred plus thousands of un-borrowed personal capital just to get the store open.  Your premise is built upon there being a vacuum of cost and risk associated with business unchanged from the 1950’s. No difference in market competition, supply of able labor and general cost of operation.  There is no headway or productive outcome to this anymore with someone so dense.

I could go into the path of a labor cost increase of over two hundred percent and how a company could attempt to adjust personal needs as well as price increases, but from your answers and responses you’re either being intellectually dishonest to promote ‘fairness’, you are actually someone who quite honestly has no understanding of the most basic lemonade stand economics or you’re just trying to get me quite ‘Butt Hurt’ over this whole discussion.

Either way, it is quite boring now. 

 

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Cubedramirez on 01 August 2013
Kasz216 said:

Well first off.  People are treated better then a drum of oil.  Living costs are largely included in "real" jobs.

For Fast Food jobs, living costs aren't included because you don't need to hire people with living costs.   Sure you will if someone applies since they have more expeirnce then the younger kid, but the mintue they get something better they can be replaced within a week.  Areas that don't have a sizebale "Leisure" workforce see wages rise quite a bit in the service industry.

Again, the likely cause is of people depending on these jobs is probably... minimum wage. 

 

When you look at the countries that have the largest amount of people working in "real" jobs...  Germany and Denmark top the list.   What do these countries have in common?   No minium wage.

If there was no minium wage, these jobs would pay less.  The only people who could afford these jobs are those who don't rely on it as a primary job.

Hence the demand for "real" jobs would increase greatly... forcing things into action.

The requirment of minimium wage creates a false belief on what is liveable, and plenty of people become more then willing to work an easy job that pays little, rather then put in the effort to get a better job. 

 

As it is... society, like most countries societies consider these kind of service jobs a career, or at least the first step in one.  (by getting promoted into a more valuable position.  Though considering how few of those exist compaired to the service jobs...)

When you look at the countries that have the largest amount of people working in "real" jobs...  Germany and Denmark come to mind.

 

It should simply be a matter of removing minium wage and At will employment.   Countries with both of these conditions seem to work the best and attracting "real" Jobs.  (Removal of at will employment while keeping min wage seems to be disasterous for countries like this though.)

 

Well either that or just ban anyone with a guardian from getting a job.  I wouldn't recommend that though.

 

Removing the minimum wage would create an environment where employers could hire youths early on to do simple duties and that would act as a societal tool to developed experience and understanding how to conduct one’s self in a work environment. You'd have an entire generation of youths with some experience to be able to go forward and apply that knowledge to positions they otherwise would be overlooked due to inexperience in a working environment. 

Employee rights under federal and the majority of state laws are so vaguely defined I don't consider act will employment to even be truly in effect in today’s society. 



oldschoolfool on 01 August 2013

Can't they just easily replace all of those people?



roam on 01 August 2013

I think unions are pretty shitty and corrupt for the most part, quite honestly. But if businesses treated employees fairly in the first place then there wouldnt even be a need for them.



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Kasz216 on 01 August 2013
Mr Khan said:
I have an idea of what you mean, but explain your point on "removing at-will employment." Do you mean putting in rules about firing and quitting a job that makes doing either harder? Like, i know 2-weeks notice is the law in a lot of countries, rather than courtesy under an at-will system. Just as At-Will employers can fire you for any reason aside from the protected categories, or for no reason at all...


Sort of?

Basically "at-will" employment is actually pretty rare as far as countries go.

Basically how it works is... anytime you get hired for a job you fill out a contract with a company specifically defining your duties and what is expected of you.  Then there is usually like a 3 month trial period.   Then after that you can only be fired if you fail to live up to your contract.  Which tends to be a year or two I believe... sometimes less for seasonal jobs etc.

 

Having your contract on paper and having to agree to it really hits home what you are agreeing too.  Making your "demand" for the job weaken a bit, and making you demand more from it.  In general this does create an increase in unions, espiecally for "good" jobs. 



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Mr Khan on 01 August 2013
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
I have an idea of what you mean, but explain your point on "removing at-will employment." Do you mean putting in rules about firing and quitting a job that makes doing either harder? Like, i know 2-weeks notice is the law in a lot of countries, rather than courtesy under an at-will system. Just as At-Will employers can fire you for any reason aside from the protected categories, or for no reason at all...


Sort of?

Basically "at-will" employment is actually pretty rare as far as countries go.

Basically how it works is... anytime you get hired for a job you fill out a contract with a company specifically defining your duties and what is expected of you.  Then there is usually like a 3 month trial period.   Then after that you can only be fired if you fail to live up to your contract.  Which tends to be a year or two I believe... sometimes less for seasonal jobs etc.

 

Having your contract on paper and having to agree to it really hits home what you are agreeing too.  Making your "demand" for the job weaken a bit, and making you demand more from it.  In general this does create an increase in unions, espiecally for "good" jobs. 

Being as i've been on the receiving end of termination on trumped-up charges, i would be quite in agreement with this. If you don't like me, that's fine, but you shouldn't invent reasons to fire me...



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