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Mr Puggsly said:
badgenome said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Some brilliant left wing logic. How about finding ways to make healthy foods cheaper?

Unhealthy foods tend to be cheaper and taxing them further hurts the poor.

That's not really true, though. Going down the junk food aisle is a lot more expensive than hitting the produce section. A bag of potato chips can be over $4, while bananas are like 50 cents a pound. But most people will opt for the former. It's just a cultural thing.

Well you did some cherry picking.

A large name brand bag of chips could be 4 bucks. But if they're on sale they could be significantly cheaper. There are cheap brands as well, you could get a large bag of chips for $1.

Bananas are one of the cheapest fruits. Most fruits and veggies are more expensive than bananas.

Even preparing a nutritious dinner yourself may not be as cheap as buying some $5-6 pizzas or $1-2 hamburgers.

Actually, its still going to be much cheaper.

You're not going to just eat a pizza or burgers and be done with it in 90% of cases. You're going to get other items with it - chips, pop, breadsticks, fries and so on. Those things add up and become expensive.

Or you could, you know, make your own healthy pizza for a fraction of the price. Its not like these kinds of food are somehow cheaper to buy prepared than they are to make at home with healthier, homemade ingredients.

Heck, look at french fries. They're about 10x more expensive to buy than to make, because potatoes are very, very cheap.



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Mr Puggsly said:

Alright, there are some relatively cheap options that can be nutritious. Sandwiches and piece of fruit are more nutritious than the crap people often eat. However, not much cheaper than fast food that can feed a family.

The types of food people eat definitely plays a roll in obesity. I mean a equal quantity of nutritious foods may not have the same impact on your body as pizza or McDonalds.

Ultimately, raising taxes on unhealthy foods is not the solution as wfz suggested and certainly doesn't benefit the poor.

Well, it's true that equal amounts of good and bad food have different effects on the body, but I don't think obesity is really one of those. All calories aren't quite equal, but weight gain is still a simple matter of caloric intake minus caloric expenditure. Eating too much healthy food will still make you fat, and eating a moderate amount of junk food will still leave you with a healthy weight (though perhaps with cholestoral problems). Probably the biggest culprit in obesity is not even food but soda, which is the equivalent of guzzling a cake's worth of carbohydrates, and thanks to all the sodium it contains it only really makes you thirstier, causing you to drink more soda because of the illusion that it's a thirst quencher simply because it's cold and wet.

I don't agree with taxes, of course. But socialized health care does set up this awful situation where we are all forced to be responsible for one another, making this kind of stuff inevitable.



Mr Puggsly said:
badgenome said:

Not cherry picking. Just demonstrating that because you're hard up doesn't mean that you have to eat shitty food. There are cheap, healthy foods. A can of tuna and banana for under a buck total will give you everything you need, and there is literally no way to find junk food that's cheaper than that. But again, for obvious reasons most people aren't going to go that route. Eating is as much if not more about entertainment than it is about sustenance these days.

Though the main cause of obesity is not "unhealthy" food, but simply too much food. And of course it costs more to eat more.

Alright, there are some relatively cheap options that can be nutritious. Sandwiches and piece of fruit are more nutritious than the crap people often eat. However, not much cheaper than fast food that can feed a family.

The types of food people eat definitely plays a roll in obesity. I mean a equal quantity of nutritious foods may not have the same impact on your body as pizza or McDonalds.

Ultimately, raising taxes on unhealthy foods is not the solution as wfz suggested and certainly doesn't benefit the poor.


Fast food is expensive as fuck on a per meal basis.

Eating at McDonalds Costs me a good 6-7 dollars per meal.

 

Making my own food... is like ~3-4 bucks per meal... and i could make it for a LOT cheaper if I went with stuff like Lentil stews.

 

Junk food is cheaper on a per calorie basis, but a per calorie basis doesn't really mean shit to anybody who lives in the real world.

 

I mean, a candy bar has 3-4 times the calroies as an Apple....  and isn't near as filling.



Kasz216 said:


Fast food is expensive as fuck on a per meal basis.

Eating at McDonalds Costs me a good 6-7 dollars per meal.

 

Making my own food... is like ~3-4 bucks per meal... and i could make it for a LOT cheaper if I went with stuff like Lentil stews.

 

Junk food is cheaper on a per calorie basis, but a per calorie basis doesn't really mean shit to anybody who lives in the real world.

 

I mean, a candy bar has 3-4 times the calroies as an Apple....  and isn't near as filling.

Depends what you get. Whenever I would eat fast food I often get dollar menu items. Those combos are expensive and often have more calories than a person should consume in a single day.



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badgenome said:

Probably the biggest culprit in obesity is not even food but soda, which is the equivalent of guzzling a cake's worth of carbohydrates, and thanks to all the sodium it contains it only really makes you thirstier, causing you to drink more soda because of the illusion that it's a thirst quencher simply because it's cold and wet.

 

Even more than soda, I feel wheat foods is the biggest cause of obesity.

You can hit 2000 calories by consuming wheat foods quickly and I'm sure many over weight people are doing just that. However, you would have to drink over a gallon of soda to hit 2000 calories.



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Mr Puggsly said:
wfz said:
Would it not work if we just taxed unhealthy ingredients in foods? Then consumers and producers would both have incentives to eat healthier.

Some brilliant left wing logic. How about finding ways to make healthy foods cheaper?

Unhealthy foods tend to be cheaper and taxing them further hurts the poor.

Your suggestion of making healthy food cheaper is no less leftwing, it's just a different form of market manipulation.

Of course in the USA the left_posing_as_right farm subsidies distort the food market. But that isn't a problem here as we have no agricultural subsidies, not import tariffs.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Kasz216 said:


Fast food is expensive as fuck on a per meal basis.

Eating at McDonalds Costs me a good 6-7 dollars per meal.

 

Making my own food... is like ~3-4 bucks per meal... and i could make it for a LOT cheaper if I went with stuff like Lentil stews.

 

Junk food is cheaper on a per calorie basis, but a per calorie basis doesn't really mean shit to anybody who lives in the real world.

 

I mean, a candy bar has 3-4 times the calroies as an Apple....  and isn't near as filling.

Depends what you get. Whenever I would eat fast food I often get dollar menu items. Those combos are expensive and often have more calories than a person should consume in a single day.


A dollar menu menu hamburger isn't going to fill you up worth anything.

If it did.... you ccould make a cheaper meal yourself.

I mean what do you get?   3 items off the 99 cent menu?  It'd still be easier and cheaper to make food yourself.

 

http://www.allyou.com/food/supercheap-meals/meals-under-one-dollar-00400000047058/

http://www.myrecipes.com/convenience/budget-recipes/10-classic-dishes-under-250-10000001949246/

 

 

Seriously, you'd be shocked how cheap food is, espeically at the right supermarket.