Conegamer said: This thread has exploded just like the Ethernet-Gate for the Wii U. But when was it that DF became unreliable? I'd guess about 24 hours ago for some people. So many times I saw people saying to wait for their word, and now their word means nothing? This is all a tad confusing...

The actual issue with DF is Leadbetter... he is posting a lot of articles downplaying PS4 and upplaying Xbone... of course he have the right to post all news bad or good for both consoles but the lastest ones...

1. Xbone have bi-directional read or write for eDRAM... so 192GB/s. (that's is so bull that even it can't give a explanation for it and after all the buzz posted a twitter sayin that the eDRAM still runs at 102GB/s)
2. PS4 have seven minutes of gameplay record. (even everybody knowing it is confirmed 15 minutes he tried to say "seven" instead "several" and posted a so bad quality audio to support his clains... the problem is that everybody listened the audio and seems like "several" and not "seven"... even after Sony confirm again 15 minutes he tried to avoid everything saying the guy speaking (from the audio) that did the mistake... but the audio you listen "several" lol).

That is the two latest... and now this dRAMa.

There are others bad articles posted before where it downplay a PS4 feature and after just give congrats to the same Xbone feature.

I don't know why he is trying to do that... there are even conspirancy theories about he is being paid for that but looking at the article history you will see he is only a Xbox fanboy.

 

Again this news about RAM can be true... can be even less RAM available to devs but I will wait somebody more credible to confirm or deny that before make any assumption based in the Leadbetter's articles.

This thread has gone crazy.

MDMAlliance said: I honestly wasn't expecting this. I suppose a lot of people over-estimated the amount of free RAM the PS4 would have, including myself. I guess this makes it barely different than the XB1.

GPU on PS4 is 50% more powerful.  GPU is the most important part of a gaming machine.  PS4 has a serious advantage.

Am I the only one who has read the article multiple times and keeps coming to the conclusion that they are talking about dev kits? If I am right, isn't this no big deal at all? I mean, if they have a dev kit with only 8Gb of RAM then isn't it probably an old dev kit from before they changed the RAM amount? They mention the dev kit Killzone: SF was running on. Wasn't that running on a dev kit with 4Gb in mind, hence the 8Gb dev kit. Wouldn't that explain a lot? That would explain the huge overhead for the "OS." It just really strikes me as odd that they keep using Guerilla Games and the Shadow Fall demo as examples, when we all know that was running on a dev kit targeting 4Gb. I also find it very hard to believe that Sony's final dev kits will only have 8Gb for devs to work with. Wouldn't Sony have just done the same as MS and say that every PS4 is a dev kit? Something smells fishy.....

Well at least my icons on the XMB will load faster now rather then the horrible PS3 XMB load.

Games will stick look great, the only thing this changes is less ammunition for Sony fans to agrue with MS fans online.

@thismeintiel
What are you talking about. All we heard was that the Xbox One is a media box, tv, tv, tv, etc. You can't deny all those comments. They are totally separate from the DRM fiasco and were only said by PS4 fans. Now I guess this makes the PS4 a media box right? If not then a lot of people on here should apologize, but of course they wont. This is seen as a good thing all of a sudden because it is Sony.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3-system-software-memory

UPDATE #2: Sony has issued a statement:

We would like to clear up a misunderstanding regarding our "direct" and "flexible" memory systems. The article states that "flexible" memory is borrowed from the OS, and must be returned when requested - that's not actually the case.

The actual true distinction is that:

"Direct Memory" is memory allocated under the traditional video game model, so the game controls all aspects of its allocation
"Flexible Memory" is memory managed by the PS4 OS on the game's behalf, and allows games to use some very nice FreeBSD virtual memory functionality. However this memory is 100 per cent the game's memory, and is never used by the OS, and as it is the game's memory it should be easy for every developer to use it.

We have no comment to make on the amount of memory reserved by the system or what it is used for.

Based on this information, plus the new source coming forward to explain the properties of flexible memory, our take on this right now is that there is 4.5GB of conventional RAM available to developers, along with the OS-controlled flexible memory Sony describes, in addition to that.

We understand that this is a 1GB virtual address space, split into two areas - 512MB of on-chip RAM is used (the physical area) and another 512MB is "paged", perhaps like a Windows swap file. But to be clear, of the 8GB of GDDR5 on PS4, our contention is that 5GB of it is available to developers.

The good news is that the amount is static and not dictated by OS functions as we stated in our original post, making it a lot easier for developers to work with.

platformmaster918 said: MDMAlliance said: I honestly wasn't expecting this. I suppose a lot of people over-estimated the amount of free RAM the PS4 would have, including myself. I guess this makes it barely different than the XB1. GPU on PS4 is 50% more powerful.  GPU is the most important part of a gaming machine.  PS4 has a serious advantage.

It all boils down to performance, and my statement about being barely different than the XB1 was solely about the RAM.

There you have it folks. Sony issued a statement and came with a no comment on how much ram is available for games. Rumor is true.

Torillian said: Imaginedvl said: landguy1 said: I am sure that i am not on your "buddy" list.  And i am sure that i must have been right otherwise you would have proven me to be wrong(even though you admit that you are not sure if you ever said that).  But, whatever.  Still doesn't change my actual point.  Most of the fanboys change the subject or say "prove it" if someone has a different OPINION than their own. You are wasting your time :) I love all these "prove it" replies from PS/Xbox fanboys who seem to have issue assuming what they support or like... To me, they do that just because they feel it will give more credibility to their posts, like "oh I'm not a PS4 fans, so when I say the Xbox One sucks it is perfectly credible and certainly not because I dislike it" :) To be fair when someone says "you were making ____ posts" then it's on them to give proof.  Proving that I didn't post something would require that I show you every post I ever made while proving that I did only requires showing one.  Having proof for when you call someone out with a specific claim is absolutely what you should be doing.

OF course the whole conversation that i had with him wasn't quoted.  In it i clearly indicated that i could have been wrong but thought that i remembered it that way.  I have taken the time to look at a number of his posts and i am pretty sure if you would read a large # of his posts it is quite clear that he is a Sony guy.  All i had originally said was that i found it funny that he commented now that it was OK that the ram was lower. I was utilizing his comment to say that most of the fanboys for either side seem to change their minds that with every little bit of info that comes out to go along with whatever system they think is the best.