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endimion on 24 July 2013
Xenostar said:
endimion said:
yeah like a 5 dollar array mic could do what the Kinect does, and I would have to where a headset, no thank you....?!?!?!? headsets are for cheap nerds or when you can't use your regular setup because people in your household are sleeping or something or you can't afford one.... otherwise it's a piece of crap especially the one packed in consoles, but even the high end ones.

and people never have love for emerging technology, it was like that for the mouse, it was like that for the CD and the DVD, it was like that for GUI in OSs, it was like that with digital camera and camcorder, the first tablet PCs, heck even the first smartphones that were a cross between PDA and feature phones....

of course Kinect was pretty shitty, like the first mobile phones had huge 20 pound batteries you had to carry in one hand with a huge military looking antenna. But still it was a huge first step, then we got GSM witch was a second step, it's only once it got cheaper and smaller it really picked up, but without their ancestors it would have probably been different or slower.
Now someone that has a Kinect and doesn't use it, is either just using their Xbox 360 to play games and have no interest in Kinect games, or they just like to waste time, cause if well calibrated outside of gaming it is the best way to navigate the dashboard. I'll even go as far as to say voice command is something that will become a standard input for tech device in the near future because it's way more convenient if you don't want to waste time, don't want to focus only on the said device or don't know the interface. in the future I don't want to have to grab anything or look at anything for dumb device to do what I want, I'll tell them they'll execute.
i.e. :
"TV record game of throne next episode, and put on the Netflix app and play house of cards"
"fridge, tell me how many steaks do I have for tonight's party, and print a list of groceries"
"house call Brenda (the wife, need to ask her if she wants something specific)"
"computer open outlook and tell me when is my first meeting tomorrow"
"Xbox snap Xbox music" "show me my play list for tonight" "bing similar artists" *hand gesture select this that that and that* "XBOX close app"
*damn missed some house of card with all that stuff, rewinds precisely with hand gesture*

so yeah if you want to keep using a pad to do things the archaic way and like to waste time with the old ways and refuse to support future technologies Kinect is not for you. but if there isn't a first step, then a second, then a third it will never become like in the example... you can't just expect a tech to come out in it's premium form right of the bat, it would be great but it's usually not how it works... so yeah I expect the new Kinect to be way better than the precedent one which was already a great step forward, but it won't be perfect... we need to give it time and support the project or at least the idea, I see Kinect like MS own little kickstarter project and I'm willing to invest on it even if it means Kinect 3 or 4 will be the really revolutionary one, but you have to start somewhere and pushing it like MS does is apparently the only way for them (I bet it would be a no name group on kickstarter you would have millions of people vouching money for it)

and price the issue???? last time I checked PS3 released at $200 more than the 360 a year later a 100 more than the Xbox One and today it is tracking at the same level than the 360... so price is certainly not the issue here, early adopters don't care about price and the other are just gonna like they always do, wait until the price riches an acceptable level for their budget.
and I'm pretty sure MS will do the XBL plan again where you get a cheap XB1 but you have a to sign up for a 2 year XBL gold plan full price.

so yeah I'm for Kinect bundled all the way, even if it will never be relevant for gaming, the tech will be used in everyday life in the future, from dressing room at home to try new outfit without putting them on, to automation system for homes and stores, to well pretty much anything that has been show cased in future tech videos.... they start it with XB because it is the only platform they have that make sense for it for now....

Do you think the Kinect lip reads or something it just has an array mic in it, why would you need a head set if they just bundled the mic stuff without the expensive camera tech?

Much cheaper console still has all the exact same voice commands without a headset. Can buy a camera later if your interested in the handfull of sports minigame titles. 

people don't realize that even the kinect voice command system is not just a freaking mic, the processing hardware is in the kinect, and the Kinect SDK enables every developer to tap into the kinect voice command system without extra code pretty much.
so once again a single 5 or 10 bucks array mic wouldn't cut it especially if you are 12feet away from that said mic, and I'm not even considering the shit it would be if  you are more than one persone is in the room and you have a full 5.1 system blasting during a team death match on halo or GOW...
people completely underestimate the tech requirement for quality voice recognition and ease of access and application for developpers....

and yeah beside dudes that are single hardcore gamers all the people that I know with an XBox use their kinects on a regular basis, if it's not them, it's the wife, the kids or during parties with friends because it's always fun to play a kinect game or 2 instead of the good all board games you have played 200 times....

so yeah it might not appeal to the anti social classic hardcore gamer but then again MS has never had the low ambition to mainly appeal to that niche.... they want people to buy an XBox for the entire familly and for all their home entertainement needs... wasn't that obvious for more than a decade now ??? it's not like they have hidden their intentions.... it's the only reason I came back to console gaming.... otherwise I'd be full on HTPC by now....



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Xenostar on 24 July 2013
Goatseye said:
People willing to pass on a fine piece of technology is beyond me.
Maybe people *itching about it wasn't even planning on buying it anyway.

Well i wasnt at the current price, but drop that mill stone of a periperal and im right there. Or sell it a massive loss if they REALLY want me to have a kinect that bad. 



endimion on 24 July 2013

and I hardly see how a 10 bucks array mic could do to discern between me and my team mate when I ask for a weapon switch without a camera... it's simple Kinect is the most advanced mass market device of its kind so yes it cost more money. but it's funny I don't see people complaining about Samsung integrating the same kind of tech in their "smart" TV and in that case it has a way less wider range of potential use.
heck I don't have kids yet but I wouldn't even hesitate to invest 150 bucks  for a Kinect 2 if it means they will have fun with video ludic games instead of watching dora for the hundredth time. to me its a sound entertainment investment for the entire family with more value added than the competition.
the PS4 is just a great next gen GAMING rig for teens and up with a few apps taped on it. Xbox is a gaming media box that can deliver entertainment for everybody that can walk and talk even with a low interest in classic gaming and that's what I like and what I want.



sth88 on 24 July 2013

I'll believe it when I see it.



theprof00 on 24 July 2013
Xenostar said:
Zappykins said:
No no no! This will ruin the Xbox One.

I hope it is not true.


How on earth would a $150 price cut from a periperal 90% of early adopters dont want ruin anything. 

Imo, those core gamers might just wait for the sans-kinect version. This demographic is also the one that supports new hardware the most. ie; if the core doesn't want it, and there's a rumour that they can get that only a few months later, then say goodbye to those preorders.



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KingdomHeartsFan on 24 July 2013

So basically fuck over the early adopters, the people that stay loyal to you...seems like a good idea huh...



Nem on 24 July 2013

Its probably gonna happen if the PS4 outsell it, wich is likely.

Dropping the price is their only hope. Its nice to see them shed all that arrogance they brought with them day 1. May it be a lesson.



RenCutypoison on 24 July 2013

I never wanted One to begin with, but I really think that 180, if it goes too far, will totally kill the console.

What's the point in buying the xbox if there is nor the kinect nor the digital advantages anyway ?

And if it's the price, 360 is 99$ now.



endimion on 24 July 2013
theprof00 said:
Xenostar said:
Zappykins said:
No no no! This will ruin the Xbox One.

I hope it is not true.


How on earth would a $150 price cut from a periperal 90% of early adopters dont want ruin anything. 

Imo, those core gamers might just wait for the sans-kinect version. This demographic is also the one that supports new hardware the most. ie; if the core doesn't want it, and there's a rumour that they can get that only a few months later, then say goodbye to those preorders.


pretty sure preorders for both consoles will be sold out if they aren't yet.
I doubt a kinect less bundle will ever come out and I'm almost positive they won't have one for next year, for the reason you said and for the reasons other people pointed out such as, completely undermining the dedication of your fans and early adopters, completely cutting the grass under devlopers that expect the thing to be packed in.... cause real games for kinect will come later than 2014, 2016 IMO will be the sweet spot for good kinect 2 titles other than what already worked on XB360 kinect.
but preorders will not be the issue. I'm even starting to think MS is handeling it better than Sony. Cause if MS has less preorder kits availble than sony it doesn't mean they haven't just as much inventory capabilities. they might just chose to have a lower amount of preorder to avoid shortage right of the bat when they release and creating hype and getting customers that are not preordering (which are a majority of the gamers at the end) to buy a XBone because no more PS4 are avaiable during the holliday season.
all in all I do not believe kinect less bundel are something that will exist, because it would be better for them to just keep it bundled and cut the price anyway, and preorders won't be an issue either because they'll be either sold out or will surf on the holliday season momentum.

now that said if I'm completely wrong and MS sells 1k console until january things might change but I hardly see that happening



thranx on 24 July 2013
Xenostar said:
Zappykins said:
Xenostar said:
 

Heres another story 24million people bought the original Kinect, most are now unused getting dusty in a draw. I know more than 10 people that bought into Kinect and not one uses it anymore, and they wouldnt buy into it again, unless forced to like they are currently with XBOne. 

If it was the future as you claim, there would be alot of love for it from the current owners and i just dont see any. The future is a cheaper mass market price and i hope MS see this. 

Awe that's sad, they don't sound like fun people. But no I don't agree with you assumption that most don't use it.  Kinect Adventures the pack in with Kinect was as of last week still the 11th most purchased game title in North America!  It's still selling quite well, even with X1 and Kinect 2.0 just months away.

There are always people that can't adjust to the new advances in tech and society, they just shouldn't be allowed to hold the rest of us back.  There is a good word for that, just can't think of it at the moment.

Perhaps you should try for some new more fun friends?  Even the most die hard fans of other consoles have all gone 'Wow, neat, cool, can I try' when I show them Kinect.  I'd never want to play Skyrim without it.


This is what they all said when they got it, but like the Wii, like the PS Move, they tired of it quickly and went back to just wanting a pad. 

And again as i said earlier the features you seem to be talking about and what MS ever talk about are all the voice features, you dont require $100+ camera for that, a cheap $5-10 mic array would do that and could easily be packed in and massivley reduce the price of the console. 


If its so cheap and easy for a mic array, why has no other company made a device yet? Trust me I have been looking. There are some tv s with voice controls (i have heard the voice controls do not work well). Other than that what is there? Why hasnt roku, or some other tv streaming device come up with great voice controls like kinect? It hears me from any room in my house. It works great. I challenge you to find a device that is priced the same or cheaper than kinect, and will let me watch my media with voice. The xbox one will expand upon this to include even more media than I can currently watch by voice. Please link me some devices that can be used with my current tv. I am really seriously interested in them. They dont even need a camera, just functional voice commands, that work well, and is priced the same or less than an xbox with kinect or an xbox one. I see people sya its aeasy and cheap all the time, but I dont see the products that do it yet. where are they?