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TheProphet said:

How ironic it is that you call me an extremist. Your view corrodes society. You destroy  the family upon which society is depends for its survival.  i promote life. And you call me an extremist. Perhaps compared to you I am an extremist, extremely good for society.  Also, my post uses fact. You use name calling. Another extremely different perspective. When Muslims rule Western society historians will know that it was the separation of society from religion, faith in God, the source of life which you advocate that was the cause of the end of Western civilization. Bombs couldn't do it. No army in the world could do it, only secularists working from the inside to undermind our values could  destroy Western civilization.


Wait, you think Gay marriage will destroy families and thus stop producing children? Really? Do you know how insane that sounds?
Other countries have had same sex-unions and marriages for decades now, they are prospering just fine, it was common in the old-world in places like the Roman Empire, before Christians came along, killed millions in it's Crusades and the Roman empire fell, just blame everything on Gays/Lesbians, ignore the fact that everyone bleeds the same colour of blood and thus deserves equal rights.

Instead of Blaming Gays/Lesbians for everything, hows about you start with "Normal" straight people? They are the ones that keep having gay children.




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Pemalite said:

Wait, you think Gay marriage will destroy families and thus stop producing children? Really? Do you know how insane that sounds?
Other countries have had same sex-unions and marriages for decades now, they are prospering just fine, it was common in the old-world in places like the Roman Empire, before Christians came along, killed millions in it's Crusades and the Roman empire fell, just blame everything on Gays/Lesbians, ignore the fact that everyone bleeds the same colour of blood and thus deserves equal rights.

Instead of Blaming Gays/Lesbians for everything, hows about you start with "Normal" straight people? They are the ones that keep having gay children.

The Roman Empire fell way before the crusades. The fabric of what made the nation strong had torn already long ago. The main and strongest thread was family and discipline.



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Raven722 said:
TheProphet said:
Raven722 said:
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spurgeonryan said:

I can think of no other reason. We are a country based on freedom of everything, yet this was a huge fight for years!

Just let people do what they want. Who cares? Except for a certain group of Americans who think they are judge and jury and can do what they want. Looky, looky! Americans showed them what is up yet again!


The reason homosexuality has been banned is because it is forbidden explicitly, and in different places in the Bible. It is also forbidden in the Koran and Hindu religions. It has been banned for thousands of years as religious societies grew and prospered, Britain, U.S. Now religion has been removed from the state in North America and Europe. Societies without religion are dying. They  have a birth rate below replacement. So religious societies live, and those without die. In two hundred years there will be no Western society. In France, Britain, and the rest of Europe Muslims are an increasing minority. In time they will be the majority. So it is in the final analsys God who lets disobedient societies perish. And ironically it is the gay rights movement that is implementing His punishment. As gay activists push for recognition the traditional family has become fatally ill, unable to reproduce (those in favor of gay rights are also in favor of the family destroying no fault divorce, abortion, pornography, etc). So enjoy your so called equality. As you destroy your own society the god fearing Muslims will take it's place. Or as Jesus so elequantly said: Blessed are the meek (Muslims, as opposed to arrogant, faithless atheists) for they shall inherit the world. 


Here is an example of a certain kind of extremism. 

Here is an example of a person who knows nothing about the subject and has to resort to namee calling. 

You deserve nothing but ridicule for your statement.

How ironic it is that you call me an extremist. Your view corrodes society. You destroy  the family upon which society is depends for its survival.  i promote life. And you call me an extremist. Perhaps compared to you I am an extremist, extremely good for society.  Also, my post uses fact. You use name calling. Another extremely different perspective. When Muslims rule Western society historians will know that it was the separation of society from religion, faith in God, the source of life which you advocate that was the cause of the end of Western civilization. Bombs couldn't do it. No army in the world could do it, only secularists working from the inside to undermind our values could  destroy Western civilization.


The only fact you presented was the slowly growing Muslim population in certain areas of Europe. Beyond that, you only have your own opinions of what is good or bad for society and as well as making bold, dire predictions for the world because most people do not accept the rules you have chosen for yourself. I actually promote good values both in and out of the family. One such value is having compassion for those who are not like me and recognizing that they have rights as humans just like I do. So long as I see that they have compassion themselves. Something you seem to disagree with and lack yourself. I have seen for myself plenty of gay couples who have raised children and promoted a strong family while I have watched a straight Christian family tear itself apart because despite all the Bible reading, preaching, church attending, and praying they did, the father of the family was a compassionless asshole who made his family feel like maggots who didn't deserve to suck air. You do not promote life. You promote hatred and oppression. You can attempt to ban gay marriage all you want but that will not stop people from being gay. You have only denied them a certain happiness out of spite because of your own wretched views on those who are not like you. An extremist is anyone who attempts to spread intensely narrow-minded, aggressive views through whatever means they can. Which is what you're doing. They very often resort to doomspeak fear-mongering. Distorting reality and painting a picture of horror in the minds of those they wish to bend to their own will because they themselves are drowning in irrational fear.

Civilizations rise and fall with or without Christianity. Nations without your religion move along just fine and are able to promote their own good values without your cross being jammed in their faces and even those who adhere so adamantly to it so often find themselves in strife and misery. History is full of those people who took up your beliefs only to find that while the names changed the game stayed the same. The stupid, ignorant masses made to believe they were doing what was good and just while murdering innocents for their masters who so carefully pulled their strings and promised them paradise in the end. Christianity is not necessary for a group or nation to be successful. It never has been. That is the arrogance of the religious mind. The same thing you accuse Atheists of being. It is the arrogant religious mind that fully believes that they are on the true path and everyone else is wrong. That everyone needs what they have to survive. To prosper. Yet I have seen what your beliefs lead many to do because they so easily enable your darkest inner thoughts and fears. I have seen them more than enough times to know that, for many of you, behind every smile and hearty handshake is a terrible contempt for those who do not walk your path. You think you're good and righteous. You're far from it.



happydolphin said:
Pemalite said:

Wait, you think Gay marriage will destroy families and thus stop producing children? Really? Do you know how insane that sounds?
Other countries have had same sex-unions and marriages for decades now, they are prospering just fine, it was common in the old-world in places like the Roman Empire, before Christians came along, killed millions in it's Crusades and the Roman empire fell, just blame everything on Gays/Lesbians, ignore the fact that everyone bleeds the same colour of blood and thus deserves equal rights.

Instead of Blaming Gays/Lesbians for everything, hows about you start with "Normal" straight people? They are the ones that keep having gay children.

The Roman Empire fell way before the crusades. The fabric of what made the nation strong had torn already long ago. The main and strongest thread was family and discipline.

Not at all. The strong thread for the Romans was their ability to impose cultural hegemony everywhere they went. People they conquered did not give up their old ethnic identities, but they still became simultaneously Roman. As Rome lost that cultural flexibility, so they lost their Empire.



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What?

Its just human nature of fearing what we don't understand and what we aren't ourselves (since most lawmakers are straight for most of our history).

Then you have people who don't believe it isn't biologically natural/a biological dead end (since they can't reproduce by themselves).

Tolerance and acceptance has always been our races Achilles heel.



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the2real4mafol said:
happydolphin said:
the2real4mafol said:
happydolphin said:
the2real4mafol said:
Just blame conservatives and all there lies for the backwardness of your country. They cause so many problems

I know, look at this conservative opinion! I couldn't believe it lhol

Gay marriage is fine but pedophilia is not. They shouldn't even be compared. 

Lol we're talking about conservativism in your post though. You generalized.

I guess we should be conservative on certain issues like pedophilia. But alot of their social ideals are pretty flawed i think. There economic ideas are truly something else though. And generally, they seem to lie and manipulate things more to just get public support. Quite sad really. 


you just bying into the 2 party sytem. thats the problem. you cant blame conservatis or democrats for the us problems, you must blame both. they all lie to get their viewpoint seen, they all have sex and money scandals. its just each side sees the others wrongs and not their own. Heck look a t the plethora of sex and money scandals, and corruption scandals currently going on in the democratic party. Its best to find the actual problems and not blame a gourp or political party, that is just buying into their mess.



thranx said:
the2real4mafol said:

I guess we should be conservative on certain issues like pedophilia. But alot of their social ideals are pretty flawed i think. There economic ideas are truly something else though. And generally, they seem to lie and manipulate things more to just get public support. Quite sad really. 


you just bying into the 2 party sytem. thats the problem. you cant blame conservatis or democrats for the us problems, you must blame both. they all lie to get their viewpoint seen, they all have sex and money scandals. its just each side sees the others wrongs and not their own. Heck look a t the plethora of sex and money scandals, and corruption scandals currently going on in the democratic party. Its best to find the actual problems and not blame a gourp or political party, that is just buying into their mess.

I know they are all lie. I know most of them are corrupt. And i'm not afraid to admit my views (which don't even fit on US political spectrum anyway) may be flawed but yeah nothing is perfect.  And yeah we are all biased but that's just from how we see things. But i would like to think it would be possible for us to all compromise on and pick what is best from each ideology and just do whatever to advance our countries rather than our own interests. That includes finding soulutions on things as you say. I feel proper education is necessary, ignorance affords hatred and tyranny. And politics should be taught in it's basic form to everyone.

Also, i would respect Conservative thought if those that claim to be conservative (many are really libertarians) if they didn't come across as so stupid and backward most of the time.  



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happydolphin said:

The Roman Empire fell way before the crusades. The fabric of what made the nation strong had torn already long ago. The main and strongest thread was family and discipline.

Not at all. The strong thread for the Romans was their ability to impose cultural hegemony everywhere they went. People they conquered did not give up their old ethnic identities, but they still became simultaneously Roman. As Rome lost that cultural flexibility, so they lost their Empire.

I don't agree. What made Rome strong was their discipline and their family roots. That's what constituted the first 7 kingdoms of Rome and what made them the empire they were. The cultural hegemony was a byproduct of their success, and far from what made them strong.

It's my opinion on it and you're free to disagree.



Raven722 said:
TheProphet said:
Raven722 said:
TheProphet said:
Raven722 said:
TheProphet said:
spurgeonryan said:

I can think of no other reason. We are a country based on freedom of everything, yet this was a huge fight for years!

Just let people do what they want. Who cares? Except for a certain group of Americans who think they are judge and jury and can do what they want. Looky, looky! Americans showed them what is up yet again!


The reason homosexuality has been banned is because it is forbidden explicitly, and in different places in the Bible. It is also forbidden in the Koran and Hindu religions. It has been banned for thousands of years as religious societies grew and prospered, Britain, U.S. Now religion has been removed from the state in North America and Europe. Societies without religion are dying. They  have a birth rate below replacement. So religious societies live, and those without die. In two hundred years there will be no Western society. In France, Britain, and the rest of Europe Muslims are an increasing minority. In time they will be the majority. So it is in the final analsys God who lets disobedient societies perish. And ironically it is the gay rights movement that is implementing His punishment. As gay activists push for recognition the traditional family has become fatally ill, unable to reproduce (those in favor of gay rights are also in favor of the family destroying no fault divorce, abortion, pornography, etc). So enjoy your so called equality. As you destroy your own society the god fearing Muslims will take it's place. Or as Jesus so elequantly said: Blessed are the meek (Muslims, as opposed to arrogant, faithless atheists) for they shall inherit the world. 


Here is an example of a certain kind of extremism. 

Here is an example of a person who knows nothing about the subject and has to resort to namee calling. 

You deserve nothing but ridicule for your statement.

How ironic it is that you call me an extremist. Your view corrodes society. You destroy  the family upon which society is depends for its survival.  i promote life. And you call me an extremist. Perhaps compared to you I am an extremist, extremely good for society.  Also, my post uses fact. You use name calling. Another extremely different perspective. When Muslims rule Western society historians will know that it was the separation of society from religion, faith in God, the source of life which you advocate that was the cause of the end of Western civilization. Bombs couldn't do it. No army in the world could do it, only secularists working from the inside to undermind our values could  destroy Western civilization.


The only fact you presented was the slowly growing Muslim population in certain areas of Europe. Beyond that, you only have your own opinions of what is good or bad for society and as well as making bold, dire predictions for the world because most people do not accept the rules you have chosen for yourself. I actually promote good values both in and out of the family. One such value is having compassion for those who are not like me and recognizing that they have rights as humans just like I do. So long as I see that they have compassion themselves. Something you seem to disagree with and lack yourself. I have seen for myself plenty of gay couples who have raised children and promoted a strong family while I have watched a straight Christian family tear itself apart because despite all the Bible reading, preaching, church attending, and praying they did, the father of the family was a compassionless asshole who made his family feel like maggots who didn't deserve to suck air. You do not promote life. You promote hatred and oppression. You can attempt to ban gay marriage all you want but that will not stop people from being gay. You have only denied them a certain happiness out of spite because of your own wretched views on those who are not like you. An extremist is anyone who attempts to spread intensely narrow-minded, aggressive views through whatever means they can. Which is what you're doing. They very often resort to doomspeak fear-mongering. Distorting reality and painting a picture of horror in the minds of those they wish to bend to their own will because they themselves are drowning in irrational fear.

Civilizations rise and fall with or without Christianity. Nations without your religion move along just fine and are able to promote their own good values without your cross being jammed in their faces and even those who adhere so adamantly to it so often find themselves in strife and misery. History is full of those people who took up your beliefs only to find that while the names changed the game stayed the same. The stupid, ignorant masses made to believe they were doing what was good and just while murdering innocents for their masters who so carefully pulled their strings and promised them paradise in the end. Christianity is not necessary for a group or nation to be successful. It never has been. That is the arrogance of the religious mind. The same thing you accuse Atheists of being. It is the arrogant religious mind that fully believes that they are on the true path and everyone else is wrong. That everyone needs what they have to survive. To prosper. Yet I have seen what your beliefs lead many to do because they so easily enable your darkest inner thoughts and fears. I have seen them more than enough times to know that, for many of you, behind every smile and hearty handshake is a terrible contempt for those who do not walk your path. You think you're good and righteous. You're far from it.

Yes the Muslim people are growing in Europe and North America. What you have to understand is why they are growing now. They are replacing they dying Western societies. Every Western society that separates themselves from God is dying because their families are not able to reproduce themselves because their family is terminally ill. They are dying because they have replaced the Christian notions of a permanent marriage and the value of life with abortion, no fault divorce and pornography. These practices are inevitable after a society separates from God. There is only one way to have life. And that is with the creator of life. Homosexuality is not the cause of the decline of Western society.  The bible can be easily misunderstood on this point. Most professors I have read really have no clue. However, the acceptance of homosexuality is a sympton of a dying society. Homosexuality will not be tolerated in a living religious society, only a dying secular one. Israel is an interesting example. It has two factions, the secular which as all secular groups is dying, and the strict Jew who has a positive fertility rate. The strict Jews are taking over Israel, as they should. That is why you see news reports from time to time about the friction in Israel as the Hasaidic Jews grow as a proportion of the population.

That's great that you have compassion. But there is no escaping the divine truths about how God made the world and what He requires. It is not compassionate to tells people to go walk through a mine field. Ignoring the rules results in more hardship. I favour life for my people, not extinction. That is the choice. The West is dying at a rate of approximated 1/2 percent per year. So in 200 years there will be no Western civilization, It is you who is ultimately producing the most harm. It is you who are the extremist. So me the societies in the past who have thrived and accepted homosexuality - none. And btw, were did the children of these homosexual couples come from? They certainly did not come from two men. 

Yes, belief in God is absolutely necessary for a society to survive. In America Muslims and Hispanics are quickly becoming larger portions of society. This is because of abortion, no fault divroce, etc - the Whites are dying and being replaced with immigration. No society can survive without God. It won't be long before the Whites in godless America are the minority. They were not long ago over 90 percent. That is an extinction of 40 percent! And the process is continuing. So it will continue as long as America is secular and in 200 years there will be no White people at all in America. This genocide is caused by the separation of America from God. And it is a symptom of the final stages of a dying society to pretend that two men can raise a family of children they didn't create.