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shikamaru317 said:
Wait, Halo: MCC is below 162k in the UK? That sucks, was expecting higher based on it's Amazon UK bestsellers of 2014 ranking (#23), it seemed like first week sales would be over 200k. Maybe US first week sales are going to be lower than CoD:AW Xbox One despite the fact that it did better than CoD:AW on Amazon....


as long as it did better than halo ce anniversary (on a significantly smaller install-base), I'd say that's a win.  And surely those matchmaking issues put a hamper on the sales somewhat.  



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Looks like GTAV Remaster has a 97 metacritic. I never understood why GTAIV and GTAV scored so well. Theyre excellent games but still never understood why that high. Just my opinion though. Looks like XBO/PS4 GTA is good though.  I hear First Person is good in it as well




       

After playing through games like sunset overdrive and crackdown, gta just plays too meh/dull for my taste.



Iron Galaxy's lessons learned on the path to Killer Instinct

Iron Galaxy is tough to pin down.

The Chicago-based studio got its start in 2008 as a tech shop and development gun-for-hire, helping publishers and studios ship their games on new platforms -- or just ship them period. In the years since, it's worked on everything from original IP (Wreckateer) to co-development deals (Divekick) and technical ports (Borderlands 2).

Now, the company has split the difference and stepped in to take over development of Double Helix's 2013 Killer Instinct reboot -- a rare move in game development.

So I recently called up studio chief Dave Lang (pictured) to ask how it happened, and what it's like to transition from helping others make games to making your own.

"I imagine it's a lot like how child actors in Hollywood feel they get typecasted," says Lang, with a laugh. "Independent of how you change and evolve the company, it's really hard to get people to see you in a different way."

Lang says he's been trying to make the change slowly, over time, keeping Iron Galaxy working on porting games like Ms. Splosion Man and Borderlands 2 while simultaneously launching original projects like Wreckateer and Divekick.

"We just kinda layered in original game creation as like, another business unit," notes Lang. "That's proven a relatively successful strategy, but it's still really hard to get people in the industry to think of us as a game creator."

How do you fill another developer's shoes?

Of course, Iron Galaxy didn't create the Killer Instinct franchise; it didn't even create this latest iteration. Lang and his team effectively took over continued development of the game from creator Double Helix, a situation that Lang and I agree is somewhat unique; only Amnesia: The Dark Descentdeveloper Frictional Games' decision to allow The Chinese Room to make an Amnesia game comes close.

"Killer Instinct was a super-weird case; Microsoft called me up like a year ago and was like ‘yeah, we uh...we might need a new developer for KI," says Lang. Iron Galaxy had been working with Microsoft for years at that point and had demonstrated a predilection for working on fighting games, so it wasn't so surprising that the publisher would contact them 


"You don't make money by working on things; you make money by shippingthings."

about taking over development of Killer Instinct; what was surprising was that Microsoft wouldn't say why.

"They wouldn't tell me why Double Helix couldn't do it anymore, and I was a little nervous about that," recalls Lang. "I wasn't nervous that we couldn't do the work, but...as a developer, you can never backstab another developer. You just can't do it."

Lang says he had to cajole Microsoft into putting him in touch with Double Helix chief Patrick Gilmore, who also kept mum about why Double Helix had to let the game go but assured Lang that the split with Microsoft was amicable -- and that Iron Galaxy could take over Killer Instinct with Gilmore's blessing.

"After that was all the fun stuff; we got to dig into their engine and their tools and kinda start making the game," says Lang. "It was definitely a weird couple of months, but once everything came out about the Amazon acquisition it all made complete sense."

Most of Double Helix's technology and production pipelines made sense to Iron Galaxy as well, though Lang says that has much to do with his studio's experience "parachuting in" to studios on contracts to help them ship or port their games.

"I assume one of the reasons MS thought we'd be a good fit for this thing is that it's kind of our wheelhouse; we do a lot of port work, but more than that we do a lot of tech support for bigger game teams," says Lang. "We helped Bungie a little bit on the PS3 version of Destiny, we did a lot of stuff at Irrational with Bioshock Infinite...we just embed engineers on their teams, so we have to get really good at jumping from tech to tech to tech."

Learn how others work, not what they work with

That's what makes Iron Galaxy so intriguing to study, from a game industry perspective: few studios have worked with such a wide array of developers, or helped ship such a broad variety of games. Across all his years of contract work, Lang says the number one thing he's learned about game development is that people tend to overvalue what they create and undervalue how they do it.

"Whether it's technology, a toolset, an IP...whatever it is, developers tend to overvalue everything. In jumping from studio to studio and looking at all these different codebases, the stuff we've learned that's super-valuable is all production/process stuff," says Lang. 

"It's ways to organize and use people more efficiently, and get them to communicate better. It's like ‘oh look at their build farm! They have the same build farm everyone else does, but they've


"It's not knowledge that's valuable at all, in my opinion; it's the wisdom."

implemented the interface a little differently and it makes it way easier to use from the content creation side. So it's not knowledge that's valuable at all, in my opinion; it's the wisdom. It's knowing how to use all your different resources and when, and what is best for your team."

And yet, outside of friendly chatter and designated industry knowledge-sharing grounds like GDC, many big-budget studios keep their production wisdom close to the vest. Iron Galaxy has peeked behind the curtain more often than most, and Lang says that -- by and large -- "I tend to think all that secrecy stuff is pretty silly."

"But at the same time, I have to recognize that this is an impossibly competitive arena, especially when you factor in AAA productions and the marketing budgets that come with that," adds Lang. "From that perspective, even if I give my competitor just a 1 percent advantage by sharing my knowledge, like...one percent of a hundred million dollars is actually a lot of money!"

"So, I get it. I think 99 times out of a 100 it's a waste and kind of silly, but there you go."

Ship and learn

And what wisdom would Iron Galaxy share with other developers? Ship early, ship often, says Lang.

"I think one of the most valuable lessons I've carried with me in my career is, I used to work at Microsoft Game Studios and Microsoft has this super-cool thing they do -- I assume they still do it -- where they give you a plaque when you ship your first thing."

It's colloquially known as the "Ship It" plaque. And when you ship your next game, you get to add a little metal gewgaw with the name of your game emblazoned on it. Fill up your plaque with shipped-game trophies, and you get a new plaque.

"Microsoft recognizes that you don't make money by working on things; you make money by shippingthings," says Lang. "It's a super-important distinction to make and understand. That's is where all the real 'game development' skills like triage, and knowing when something is ‘good enough' come from; they all develop out of that basic thought process."

"That's something I've always carried with me, and looking back at the six or so years of Iron Galaxy, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who has shipped -- or help ship -- more stuff than us," says Lang. "I literally don't think they exist, in the whole world."

He believes that experience manifests itself in the little bits of production wisdom Iron Galaxy has picked up from other studios over the years, and he encourages other developers to talk with their peers less about what they're working on, and more about how they're working.

"It's like ‘Oh, these guys use this cool tool that I can just go buy, like Code Collaborator," says Lang. "Or they use Perforce in a totally novel way I've never seen before. Or they're really good to keeping their scrum meetings to 15 minutes in the morning, and ours take an hour; what a waste of time, we need better discipline!"

"All these little things that are wisdom, not knowledge, that you can extract from helping other people, help you develop best-in-breed practices pretty quickly if you're methodical and motivated to do so," says Lang. "For us, without that kind of mindset we wouldn't be as successful as we are now."




       

shikamaru317 said:

I don't know what it is about Halo 1 singleplayer but I almost find it a chore to play. I've tried to get through Halo 1 singleplayer 4 different times over the last decade and each time I gave up by about mission 5. It's strange, because I love the singleplayer in Halo 2, 3, and 4, and I even like ODST and Reach singleplayer quite a bit more than 1. The story is great, the music is great, but the gameplay just feels like a slog to me. Hit detection feels like it's off on the pistol sometimes, I hate the slower recharge on shields and the non-recharging health, some of the enemy encounters are really annoying.

I really feel like I need to finally beat Halo 1 before I move on to Halo 2 in Halo:MCC, I need to just keep on powering through it I guess. Maybe I should find a co-op partner, co-op makes everything better usually.


Halo 1 is really good but its also much more dated than the rest with healthpacks that dont refill once you die so if you get a checkpoint in a tough place with one bar of health youre screwed.  It also has a lot of copy and paste corridors and not many precision weapons like Battlerifle.

As I said, its a really good game still and im amazed at how well it holds up but it is much more dated than Halo 2




       

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JayWood2010 said:

Looks like GTAV Remaster has a 97 metacritic. I never understood why GTAIV and GTAV scored so well. Theyre excellent games but still never understood why that high. Just my opinion though. Looks like XBO/PS4 GTA is good though.  I hear First Person is good in it as well

What score would you give GTA V and why it doesn't deserve a 97? And no 'because it is overhyped' just wondering why would someone not give it a 97.



So probably 150k in the uk. 750 k in NA. 100k rest of the world.
About 1 million probably retail for mcc. If that what it comes to that's pretty good for fw. Probably another 200-300k digital. So halo mcc probably 1.2-1.3 million versus cea that did less than 750k. I guessed it would do 1.4m so that's only slightly less. That's pretty good. Especially considering the legs mcc will have.

The big number to look at guys since most of what I said was my ill advised guesses is halo cea uk numbers. We have it at 54k. Mcc is tracking at 80something- 160k so that's pretty impressive. To expect it to more that triple cea is kind of crazy.



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

Personally anything above 90 is exceptional and above 95 is legendary... So there is like an handfull game that deserve scores above 95... Then again I consider 70 to be a descent score for a game and a game above 60 deserves a try before passing judgement.... And GTA has been at best 90 material for a while and certainly not above 95 material... I find red dead redemption to be a far better game in the same category...



shikamaru317 said:

I don't know what it is about Halo 1 singleplayer but I almost find it a chore to play. I've tried to get through Halo 1 singleplayer 4 different times over the last decade and each time I gave up by about mission 5. It's strange, because I love the singleplayer in Halo 2, 3, and 4, and I even like ODST and Reach singleplayer quite a bit more than 1. The story is great, the music is great, but the gameplay just feels like a slog to me. Hit detection feels like it's off on the pistol sometimes, I hate the slower recharge on shields and the non-recharging health, some of the enemy encounters are really annoying. I know some people would say that's balsphemy because Halo 1 is there favorite (it has the highest meta in the series ironically), but I just can't get into Halo 1.

I really feel like I need to finally beat Halo 1 before I move on to Halo 2 in Halo:MCC, I need to just keep on powering through it I guess. Maybe I should find a co-op partner, co-op makes everything better usually.

Well this is what we played one year before Halo released on consoles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZf-K2872wE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7qUtOnIpSM

it makes Halo CE amazing for its time. But yes Halo CE singleplayer was always a chore for me aswell.  Especially the Library level (worst level in the Halo franchise).



GamechaserBE said:

Yeah Sony is cool, it is like having two grandmothers one who hardly have any money but gives you still amazing presents while the other one is swimming in  money and says we should be happy because we got last month a Walmart Shirt from her..

Really hope Phil spencer is planning something..

@Bolded: That cracked me up, lol! 



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