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colafitte on 16 July 2013

I have to admit, that i'm a PS3+PC guy, so I understand perfectly what some people are saying here. I feel that with that combo, i can play more games that with any other combo. But, there are people that don't have a PC for playing games (or doesnt' have a good PC to play), so their concept of videogame is only on consoles. These people only want to compare what's available on xbox 360 and what's on PS3. I'm not discussing the meaning of exclusive.



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sales2099 on 16 July 2013
CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:
CGI-Quality said:
colafitte said:
Alan Wake is not a game considered an exclusive for any platform, but in a comparison with ps3, Alan Wake is available on X360 and not on PS3. You can have a PC or not, but this doesn't change the fact that if you only have a ps3 you can't play Alan Wake.

Of course not, but the 360 and PS3 don't exist in a vaccuum. 

Ofcourse not, but there is nothing wrong with a rivalry, which basically points out 2 opposing sides in a sea of competitors. This is no different. Nothing wrong with limiting a comparison to 2 entities and only 2 entities if one so chooses to.

Sure, but then you don't have the entire picture. You simply make it convenient for one device. Think about your disproval of the PS3 and 360 titles from 2010-present not telling the entire story. This is a lot like that.


Rivalries always vut out the entire picture and focus on the tunnel vision-like competition. Its the nature of it.

2010-present? I count everything since the gen begain. But regardless, I like keeping the games on each platform out in the open, regardless of exclusivity. Your point is to bring in other platforms for what they are. Which is fine, but again it would have no place if someone wanted to make a strict 1 vs 1 comparison.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Aldro on 16 July 2013
sales2099 said:
Aldro said:
Necromunda said:
VGKing said:
Platform Exclusives vs Console Exclusives.

The latter are bound to end up on both eventually. The Witcher 3 is coming to both PS4 and XB1. Dead Rising will most likely go multi as well once the XB1 game flops. Titanfall will come to PS4 eventually....etc...etc.

I prefer platform exclusives. The ones that stay exclusive such as 1st party titles.


This, honestly.

Also, just to note to those in this thread who are essentially stating us Playstation gamers can't use PC in our argument... Lets put it this way... I personally own a gaming PC, what incentive do I have to get an Xbox One when most of the games will be coming to the PC as well, and can play them on the rig I already own? To me it logically makes more sense to buy a PS4, since most of the PS4's exlusives are first party games that won't be coming to PC. With the notable exception of Sony's SOE games. Sure, not everyone have a PC capable of playing new PC games, but for those of us that do, we are justified in using this argument all day long as it's one of the key reasons I wont be purchasing an Xbox One in the foreseeable future. 

NO!

1 VERSUS 1 MAN, IT AINT FAIR OTHERWISE. IGNORE YOUR OWN PC!

Lol...

If a thread says 360 vs PS3 vs PC....your more then welcome to include PC.

If a thread says 360 vs PS3....you stick to.....um.....360 and PS3.....because that is the criteria set out.....1 vs 1.

I am amazed how simple this can be yet so hard to grasp for some.

I think many of us don't give a shit about X VS Y

 

Say this scenario is true =>

Sales has a 360 only
Aldro has a PS3 & PC

 

TLOU is released on PS3:
I will be able to play it. You will not.

Minecraft is released on 360/PC:
I will be able to play it. You will too.


Aldro gets to play both games. Sales only gets to play one game.

Sales wants to compare PS3 to 360 alone but Aldro doesnt give a shit because he can play both games already therefore there is no competition in the first place. Aldro simply doesn't even need to do a VS because ultimately: He has 100% of the 360/PC titles available to him.



sales2099 on 16 July 2013
VGKing said:
BTW People, it goes both ways. DC Universe Online and Free Realms don't show up on these lists because they are also on PC. I do think they should be counted though, on both platforms. Won't make much of a difference though.

Thank you. PS3/PC, PS3/Vita, PS2 games remasted as a PS3 retail game, they deserve to be mentioned just as much as a exclusive, as it in the end isn't available on Xbox.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 on 16 July 2013
CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:


Rivalries always vut out the entire picture and focus on the tunnel vision-like competition. Its the nature of it.

2010-present? I count everything since the gen begain. But regardless, I like keeping the games on each platform out in the open, regardless of exclusivity. Your point is to bring in other platforms for what they are. Which is fine, but again it would have no place if someone wanted to make a strict 1 vs 1 comparison.

"The nature" of something doesn't make it right - which you agree with or wouldn't argue against it in situations where things you like are on the "losing" end.

Right or wrong, it is what it is. If someone wants to make a 1 vs 1 comparison, they have every right to adopt said tunnel vision that comes with such a rivalry comparison. You stick to the criteria involved. Feel free to make a more "open" comparison thread and I therefore would not have any cause to stand in your way.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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sales2099 on 16 July 2013
Aldro said:
sales2099 said:

If a thread says 360 vs PS3 vs PC....your more then welcome to include PC.

If a thread says 360 vs PS3....you stick to.....um.....360 and PS3.....because that is the criteria set out.....1 vs 1.

I am amazed how simple this can be yet so hard to grasp for some.

I think many of us don't give a shit about X VS Y

 

Say this scenario is true =>

Sales has a 360 only
Aldro has a PS3 & PC

 

TLOU is released on PS3:
I will be able to play it. You will not.

Minecraft is released on 360/PC:
I will be able to play it. You will too.


Aldro gets to play both games. Sales only gets to play one game.

Sales wants to compare PS3 to 360 alone but Aldro doesnt give a shit because he can play both games already therefore there is no competition in the first place. Aldro simply doesn't even need to do a VS because ultimately: He has 100% of the 360/PC titles available to him.

Most dont care about X vs Y........don't make me laugh. But theres the root problem: you are including your personal preferences into it when it actually has no place. Its a comparison of what one has and the other doesn't on a strict 1 vs 1 basis.

What you make of the list is entirely up to you and the platforms you game on. But thats not the point. The point is seeing what each can do on a individual basis, completely unbiased and devoid of personal tastes.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Darth Tigris on 16 July 2013

I nominate the OP for Best Gamrconnect Post of the Year.



sales2099 on 16 July 2013
CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:

Right or wrong, it is what it is. If someone wants to make a 1 vs 1 comparison, they have every right to adopt said tunnel vision that comes with such a rivalry comparison. You stick to the criteria involved. Feel free to make a more "open" comparison thread and I therefore would not have any cause to stand in your way.

No point for argument (with that thinking), then, since said rules prohibit any kind of realistic discussion. 

Well that is uncalled for. Again tunnel vision is inherent with any rivalry, in any medium. Given that, its not only realistic, but has been practised for a very long time, whether you think its logical in the first place.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

attaboy on 16 July 2013
CGI-Quality said:
attaboy said:
Like one guy said: Let's just compare the available games on one vs the available games on the other. Don't assume somebody has additional hardware that you may or may not have. When it's one on one, we should just compare what's AVAILABLE.

I'm refraining from using the "E" word.

E-Penis! Whoops. It slipped.

So are Planetside 2, Outlast, and Warframe, PS4 exclusives?


Not to my knowledge.  I don't know.  But if they are available to the PS4 user, then that's a feather in their cap.  That's kinda the point of the whole thread.  If it's available, it counts as a plus.  If I were deciding between a PS4 and Xbox One (and though I currently want neither, the odds are good that I'll end up with both) those games may be a factor when I finally decide which one I get first...if I'd ever heard of them.

 

I'm a console only guy, btw.  I own everything from the Vita to the Wii U to the Xbox 360 but I never considered PC gaming.  My knowledge of PC gaming is extremely limited.



dsgrue3 on 16 July 2013
sales2099 said:
dsgrue3 said:

Like Ethomaz tried to explain to you already, everyone (nearly) has a PC. 

Thus when forming a comparison of each respective console's list of games, one should exclude PC games because that isn't adding any value to the product unless you don't have a PC.

It isn't universal that we use them, nor it is that we choose the PC version.

But that is beside the point. This isn't about your personal vdieo game platforms of choice. If you compare one console vs another, you keep it restricted to those 2 consoles, nothing more. This includes everything from exclusives to mutliplats: whatever each one cna do what the other can't. Your gaming preferences outside these 2 have no place in such a comparison.

I like the underlined part, but it applies to you not to me. You're the one blind to the fact that if I already have a PC and I'm analyzing which console to get, I certainly don't care about titles already available to me. This is why one must exclude them from consideration. 

In other words, PS3 - PC, 360 - PC.

You're arguing from a position of no PC. That's fine, but it's abnormal and you should simply admit it.