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CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:
kitler53 said:

so in short..

..no matter what set of stupid rules you decide to use: ps3 >> 360.  whether you want to compare true exclusives or just consolve exclusives there simply is no comparing the two.  ps3 has a massive amount of additional support.

hmm,. maybe if we change the rules yet again to included timed exclusives...   you know, because 360 has bioshock and ps3 doesn't didn't!


"stupid"....sigh.  Its actually very progressive. It paints a clear picture on what one can do and one cant. PS has multiplats too that arent on Xbox. 

Meaning they're still multiplatform

Correct. never said otherwise. Just a fair picture, that works both ways, showing what one can do that the other can't. Its not about exclusives, but differentiating libraries.Door swings both ways, PS benefits as well.



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TWELVE PAGES discussing one of the most stupid things I ever saw.

Let me solve this for you: if a friend asks "should I get a 360 or a PS3?", here's what you answer: "both libraries are pretty much the same, but do you prefer Uncharted, God of War and Gran Turismo or Gears of War, Halo and Forza?"

Wasn't that simple fellas? Sweet god...

On a sidenote, sales seems to live in a world where PS fans are evil bastards who need to be fought and defeated in a bizarre war. I digress.



CGI-Quality said:
artur-fernand said:
TWELVE PAGES discussing one of the most stupid things I ever saw.

Let me solve this for you: if a friend asks "should I get a 360 or a PS3?", here's what you answer: "both libraries are pretty much the same, but do you prefer Uncharted, God of War and Gran Turismo or Gears of War, Halo and Forza?"

Wasn't that simple fellas? Sweet god...

On a sidenote, sales seems to live in a world where PS fans are evil bastards who need to be fought and defeated in a bizarre war. I digress.

If you join a stupid discussion, you are then part of the stupid discussion. 

Simple, right?

 

I see what you did there.

Well played. Still an extremely pointless argument though.



Like one guy said: Let's just compare the available games on one vs the available games on the other. Don't assume somebody has additional hardware that you may or may not have. When it's one on one, we should just compare what's AVAILABLE.

I'm refraining from using the "E" word.

E-Penis! Whoops. It slipped.



Torillian said:
sales2099 said:

I don't believe sticking to the current gen is arbitrary. Its just a way to keep things simple and current at the same time, while keeping it 1 vs 1 console.

But doing that is a whole other matter. Just the idea of lisiting games on one and not the other is problematic enough as we can see.


I would assume some would say that doing exclusive vs. exclusive would be a way to keep things simple as well.  If all you want to do is look at the unique features of the two consoles then I don't think you can disregard older games available on the platform.

Well you can totally list games that are on one and not the other, but what's the difference between you saying "well those games aren't from this generation" as opposed to "well thoes games are on PC"  when all you want to do is compare the platform "one on one" as you say?

exclusive vs exclusive is simple too, but the difference is that it filters out current gen/recent releases, as opposed to filtering out games that aren't from the current generation.

I guess "time" would be the main reason, but again, its my own personal view to not count past gen games. What I do think should be universal, its expanding beyond typical exclusive lists when comparing the merits of 2 consoles.



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CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Meaning they're still multiplatform

Correct. never said otherwise. Just a fair picture, that works both ways, showing what one can do that the other can't. Its not about exclusives, but differentiating libraries.Door swings both ways, PS benefits as well.

If you never said otherwise, then you agree that a multiplatform title that shares a game on 360 is no different than a PS3/PC title. Hence, not an exclusive. Glad we agree.

Agreed. But again I am a advocate for doing lists that go beyond merely comparing exclusives. These multiplats on one and not the other deserve to be mentioned.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

CGI-Quality said:
attaboy said:
Like one guy said: Let's just compare the available games on one vs the available games on the other. Don't assume somebody has additional hardware that you may or may not have. When it's one on one, we should just compare what's AVAILABLE.

I'm refraining from using the "E" word.

E-Penis! Whoops. It slipped.

So are Planetside 2, Outlast, and Warframe, PS4 exclusives?

Nope. But they aren't on Xbox. And thus they deserve to be mentioned as such.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:

So really, thats an admission that PS can't stand up by itself against Xbox?

Because in a strict PS vs Xbox debate, neglecting these types of games seems silly. Bringing in a PC to fight PS battles.....thats what these types of replies sound like.

The 360 sales of Left 4 Dead and especially Minecraft shows that there is a big market for console only gamers. These titles clearly matter.

Playstation has better games without the need to rely on PC titles. 

I replied to you before that you're missing out on a lot of games by not playing games on PC and you stated that "you're basically saying your console doesn't have enough content to keep you interested."  It's less the PS3 or even the 360 if I was an owner doesn't have good games, but more than I'm missing out on a lot of great games by not owning a PC.

Because I'm a PC owner, I can play those 360 "exclusive games" like Torchlight, Limbo, Left 4 Dead, Bastion, Minecraft, Alan Wake, etc.  By not being a PC owner, I can't play new games like Torchlight 2,  Legend of Grimrock, Rome 2, etc, older games like, XCOM UFO Defense, Might and Magic, Heroes of Might and Magic, Syndicate, Baldur's Gate, etc.

I can go and say the same thing to you that you need a Wii and a Wii U to satisfy your gaming needs because your 360 doesn't have enough good games. By using your logic, purchasing a competitors console is far worse than playing games on the PC, because unlike a competitors console, I use my PC for more than just playing games.  Hell.  The least of what I do on my PC is playing games, and the only time i ever buy PC games is when I can get them dirt cheap.  I actually just got Torchlight 2 for $3.75.  Because there's so much great content on the PS3, I can wait for prices on PC to go on sale for ridiculously prices before purchasing.

Not just PC though.  I shouldn't collect for the Vita or the PSP right?  Since the PS3 should be enough.  So you're technically right.  I have Wii, DS, 3DS, PSP, Vita, and PS3 games this gen, as well as PC games.  I have many games spanning multiiple generations whether they're NES games, Genesis games, etc.  I should be content with my library of around 100 PS3 games.   



CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:

Nope. But they aren't on 360. And thus they deserve to be mentioned as such.

But, that's no different than saying Alan Wake isn't on PS3 and then treating it like it isn't available somewhere else. Makes no sense to me. Those games aren't exclusive. Neither is Alan Wake.

Nono its not like im saying it isn't available somewhere else. We acknowledge the other versions. But when making a strict 1 vs 1 comparison, its fair to show what sets them apart individually, regardless of other platforms that fall outside said specific comparison.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

attaboy said:

The previous text was based on a true story.

See, the thing is, having a game available on Xbox 360 AND PC doesn't make the game or the Xbox or PC less special because it's "multi-plat".  If anything, it makes the PS3 LESS desireable because it's the one format that doesn't have that title!  It's like buying a car based on its special features like 90 miles per gallon and totally ignoring the fact that it doesn't have air-conditioning because air-conditioning is not exclusive.  That's kind of a big deal.  Do you think that the person who is interested in buying a PS3 or a 360 gives a darn that Fable III got ported to the PC?  He just wants to play the game!  One console has it.  The other console doesn't. Simple, right?

That's why I propose we compare consoles like This:  One console's ENTIRE library vs. another console's ENTIRE library.  I know it sounds crazy and it scares people but it just might work.  Had Jim considered this, he might still be alive today.  Don't say a game doesn't count because "It's casual", "it's download only", "it's multi-plat", "it's from a milked franchise", "it has a girl on the cover", or any other crazy reason we come up with to say a game doesn't count as a game.  Who knows?  It just might save a life.

I agree entirely. Though I prefer the PS3 as a platform, it's no good having a PS3 if you want to play a game that isn't on PS3. No matter how good the other stuff may be, if it doesn't appeal to you, it's not going to sway you!

Vita has no games (according to a lot of non real gaming haters) because they can all be played somewhere else just about, not all on the same platforms (it's kind of getting a good selection of PC Indie, there are now also some good iOS ports coming across, as well as PS2/PS3 ports. and it has the USP of being the only place you can play all of them with physical controls comfortably arranged onto the unit and on the go.)

But yes, a great game is a great game regardless of how many/few formats it came out on. Good thread!



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