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NYANKS on 12 July 2013
Kasz216 said:
NYANKS said:
kowenicki said:
sales2099 said:

Seems like this guy didn't think far ahead. He does a righteous act, but in doing so ruins his life and is now a nomad looking for a country that will take him in. What about his income, family, and friends? He really messed his life up.

And do you think homegrown terrorists in the United States are going to talk important things by the phone/internet anymore? Offcourse not, they will do it all in person from now on. The NSA's job of finding evidence on terrorist suspects just got THAT much harder.

That's why I have no qualms saying this guy deserves what he gets. He did more bad then good, essentially telling terrorists to not talk electronically anymore.


Nailed it.

And what a hypocrit this geek is... He thinks the US and western governments are corrupt and manipulative, so he chooses... Russia.  Yep, that bastion of democracy, freedom and a caring state with zero corruption at all levels is his new choice of a great place to live.

lmao. What a pillock.

Couldn't it be he just sacrificed any possibility of living well in the hopes of making the country he actually cares about a better place?  Assange can't move much either.  He's not picking places based on how good they are, but if he can live without being in prison.  That's what it seems like anyway.  If he can enlighten the U.S. populace while limiting the damage he does I'd be happy.

Also, everyone here assuming no other country is doing this stuff when they obviously are are a little out of touch no?

I wouldn't really compare Snowden with a rapist.  Paranoia aside Assange would be able to live just about anywhere but the US were it not for his penchant for rape. (and no... it really is "real" rape if you look at the criminal charges and accounts that were leaked, which amusingly assange was totally against being leaked.)

Even when it comes to leaking, the two did it in such totally different ways.  Assange did it for fame and profit... and was having fun traveling around like nothing happened because nothing could be held against him. 

Snowdon... I can't say he didn't do it for those things... but if he did he sure didn't make a good plan of it.  Due to him actually committing a crime with his leaking he actually needs asylum.  He's really much more analogus to Bradley Manning then Julian Assange.

The only thing I was really comparing is that they both leaked things and Assange is stuck living modestly in an embassy and can't leave the building without being arrested.  I know the circumstances for each are a little different.



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tombi123 on 12 July 2013
kowenicki said:
sales2099 said:

Seems like this guy didn't think far ahead. He does a righteous act, but in doing so ruins his life and is now a nomad looking for a country that will take him in. What about his income, family, and friends? He really messed his life up.

And do you think homegrown terrorists in the United States are going to talk important things by the phone/internet anymore? Offcourse not, they will do it all in person from now on. The NSA's job of finding evidence on terrorist suspects just got THAT much harder.

That's why I have no qualms saying this guy deserves what he gets. He did more bad then good, essentially telling terrorists to not talk electronically anymore.


Nailed it.

And what a hypocrit this geek is... He thinks the US and western governments are corrupt and manipulative, so he chooses... Russia.  Yep, that bastion of democracy, freedom and a caring state with zero corruption at all levels is his new choice of a great place to live.

lmao. What a pillock.


If he was Russian, and exposed the Russian government, and then applied for asylum in America or the UK, would you be calling him a hypocrit?



Somini on 12 July 2013

Let's hope he gets asylum then, although Bolivia would've been better.



HoloDust on 12 July 2013

Hm, wonder what they're gonna frame this guy with - also "rapist" or they will go with something more innovative than the last time?



Kasz216 on 12 July 2013
tombi123 said:
kowenicki said:
sales2099 said:

Seems like this guy didn't think far ahead. He does a righteous act, but in doing so ruins his life and is now a nomad looking for a country that will take him in. What about his income, family, and friends? He really messed his life up.

And do you think homegrown terrorists in the United States are going to talk important things by the phone/internet anymore? Offcourse not, they will do it all in person from now on. The NSA's job of finding evidence on terrorist suspects just got THAT much harder.

That's why I have no qualms saying this guy deserves what he gets. He did more bad then good, essentially telling terrorists to not talk electronically anymore.


Nailed it.

And what a hypocrit this geek is... He thinks the US and western governments are corrupt and manipulative, so he chooses... Russia.  Yep, that bastion of democracy, freedom and a caring state with zero corruption at all levels is his new choice of a great place to live.

lmao. What a pillock.


If he was Russian, and exposed the Russian government, and then applied for asylum in America or the UK, would you be calling him a hypocrit?

Considering he's from the Uk.  I imagine so.  It's something that's greatly ignored, but eveyrthing the NSA is doing is totally legal in the UK and really most of the rest of Europe.

Like Gun Laws, this is just another "CRAAAAAZY" American Outlier.   Just one that some europeon groups are more sympathetic too.



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mai on 13 July 2013
tombi123 said:

If he was Russian, and exposed the Russian government, and then applied for asylum in America or the UK, would you be calling him a hypocrit?

Nah, he wouldn't even care, while he obviously got overworked over this case.

According to some Snowden traveling to other, 'free' country (according to Freedom House or any other CIA contracter, I guess), or even directly into the mouth of the beast to join Bradley Manning in the cell, would have proven he is not a hypocrite? Not sure why. For now his choice proves he's not a complete idiot, as practically any other choice outside of very few options would have ended with his extradition.



DevilRising on 13 July 2013

The sheer irony of this assclown looking for asylum in a country with far less freedoms and far more civil rights issues and human rights abuses, is almost staggering. And Putin only wants to offer him asylum publicly to stick it to the US. I'm not "Patriot", per say. I'm not overly attached to the country I live in, or ANY specific country. I'm more of a humanist. But at the same time, I don't view this guy as a hero. Sure, you could argue he did the right thing, had his heart in the right place, etc. etc., but on the other hand, what has he actually accomplished?

And him looking to accept asylum from countries even worse than the US is laughable.



mai on 13 July 2013

BTW old news, but adds to the picture.

UK and Sweden block EU talks on investigation of alleged NSA spying.



sc94597 on 13 July 2013
DevilRising said:
The sheer irony of this assclown looking for asylum in a country with far less freedoms and far more civil rights issues and human rights abuses, is almost staggering. And Putin only wants to offer him asylum publicly to stick it to the US. I'm not "Patriot", per say. I'm not overly attached to the country I live in, or ANY specific country. I'm more of a humanist. But at the same time, I don't view this guy as a hero. Sure, you could argue he did the right thing, had his heart in the right place, etc. etc., but on the other hand, what has he actually accomplished?

And him looking to accept asylum from countries even worse than the US is laughable.

@ Bolded He's brought attention to not only the topic of survellience, the disregard for rule of law, and individual property rights, but also has exposed the U.S government for what it is -- a hypocritical entity -- with no excellence in individual rights as it claims to be. That is enough to push things back up the slope that we've fell down since 9/11. 

@ Everything else  The same argument can be applied to the U.S government and its policy of enabling political asylum to person who've commited worse (by natural law) crimes agains others. 



DevilRising on 13 July 2013
sc94597 said:

@ Bolded He's brought attention to not only the topic of survellience, the disregard for rule of law, and individual property rights, but also has exposed the U.S government for what it is -- a hypocritical entity -- with no excellence in individual rights as it claims to be. That is enough to push things back up the slope that we've fell down since 9/11. 

 


But that's not news. Many people have assumed that they've been doing this to EVERYONE, not just some, ever since bullshit like "The Patriot Act" was put in place. This is years old, not new at all. Did he "confirm" it? Sure. But as I said, what has he actually accomplished while destroying his life?