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Forums - Nintendo - Are people just being too hard on the wii u?(spec and sales wise)

 

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Yes, too hard 77 45.83%
 
No, justified 72 42.86%
 
You are fucking crazy, but free! 8 4.76%
 
lol wtf 10 5.95%
 
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twilight_link on 09 July 2013

Well historically Nintendo critics and detractors are mostly humans suffering with herd instinct, weak people who can't understand that someone outside of mainstream can be successful, in other word humans feeling securely in mob. this is THE constant, the launch problems of WiiU are mostly variable values, this is fact since NES, first detractors were disappointed humans connected to Atari in particular and western developers in general.

Then Sega of America with western 3rd parties became inventors of PR methodology against Nintendo ( = platform for kids.) the so called Mature, Hardcore gaming was born, the weak of course succumbed to this ideology. it was in other words most successful invention of Sega of America.

They understand that success against them is only achievable with appealing to mob, and this is success story of every single videogaming platform since Genesis in USA.

 

The genius behind Nintendo is that they survived , without appealing to mob and their instincts (blood, gore, violence, shooting, FMV) and even without proper 3rd party support.



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oniyide on 09 July 2013
Cobretti2 said:
The moment Nintendo realises that third party don't want to develop on their systems the better their systems will be because they will be proactive and not reactive in releasing content on their systems,

Even with huge sales I don't think they would get much support. Look at 3DS as an example, how many top tier 3rd party western devs have jumped onto that system? Even the VITA is getting better support from the western world and we know how much support vita is getting atm.

western devs dont mess with portables anyway, what support is Vita getting?



twilight_link on 09 July 2013
Cobretti2 said:
The moment Nintendo realises that third party don't want to develop on their systems the better their systems will be because they will be proactive and not reactive in releasing content on their systems,

Even with huge sales I don't think they would get much support. Look at 3DS as an example, how many top tier 3rd party western devs have jumped onto that system? Even the VITA is getting better support from the western world and we know how much support vita is getting atm.

I agree the 3rd party support that the Wii suffered was most dangerous threat for the brand.



EricFabian on 09 July 2013
existenz2 said:

The positioning, capabilities and marketting of this are all wrong

 

Therefore it deserves what it gets


why is all wrong? Just because you don't like doesn't mean is wrong



Gamerace on 09 July 2013

Depends on the person's expectations.

If you're happy with Nintendo returning to 20-30m in sales and only really appealing to the Nintendo core and kids again, then it's still overpriced and lacks games but in time both of those will be resolved and it will do okay based off the strength of Nintendo's franchises alone. Specs don't really matter in this case, other than it's in HD now and 3rd parties are of lesser consideration.

If you expected Nintendo to maintain even a portion of Wii's expanded base OR be appealing to the 'core gamer' as Nintendo originally position the system then WiiU is a total cluster-f--- and deserves to be damned. It's kinda like earning a million dollars, wasting it and being left as broke as you were before. It's just WTF dude?



 

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oniyide on 09 July 2013
Gamegears said:
oniyide said:
Gamegears said:
oniyide said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
Justified? Hardly. The same people that complain about weak specs also consider the PS2 to be the greatest console ever. Now given the FACT that it was far weaker to the GameCube and Xbox, yet they still consider it quality and part of that generation of consoles only shows they are being biased. Some are so pathetic they've even convinced themselves 233mhz is more powerful than a 800mhz PPC based chip such as in xbox.

Every reason people are bringing up applies to past consoles yet they wont see it the same way.
When PS4 and X1 have game droughts it wont be seen the same as it is now on Wii U.
Just like lower clock speed was a huge issue til the fact PS4 also had lower clock speed came out and now it isn't a fact that lower clock speed equals next gen.

PS2 wasnt FAR weaker than GC or Xbox, Wii was FAR weaker than PS360, theres the difference. Plus PS2 didnt release 5-6 years AFTER there were consoles on the market stronger than it.

Actually as far as processing power goes.. (If you go by that..) The GC was a 486 MHZ.. which is a little over twice the power of the PS2.. so looking at it on that spectrum alone.. yeah.. it was far weaker than the GC andeven more weaker when compared to the XBOX.. and the Wii.. yes far weaker than PS3 and 360.. but they are both in the same boat.. if you look at their best titles.. damn if you can notice it.. they compared very well side by side.. with the competition.. and I think the Wii U does a very good job of this too.. and this is a system that is already almost a year old.. these others are brand new and not even released yet.. and yes I know the graphics will get better on PS4 and XBONE.. but I also know they will get better on the Wii U.. I know the Wii U is going to be the weakest.. and yet.. it will still be a strong in side by side comparisons with other consoles.. Just as the PS2 was.. and The Wii Was... 

I think there is more to it than MHZ and I wouldnt even put PS2 and WIi in the same boat, PS2 actually got alot of games that its superior console brethren got, cant really say the same for Wii as ALOT of games got skipped over due to lack of power on Wii's part. Hell the games that were shared by Wii and the HDs the difference between those were night and day, they werent even the same games in some cases. Again not really the case with PS2 and the GC XBOX ports, there were noticable differences but nothing too crazy.

I disagree WIi u just doing a good job, IMHO is not cutting it, not when its only barely looking better than consoles that have been on the market for years. We are already seeing games that look better on PS4/x1 and they are not even out yet, whats gonna happen when devs really harness the power. Wii was never strong with side by side comparisons, that was one of the problems. What games were you playing were you can honestly say you didnt notice the difference between the HD and Wii versions. Besides the DLs, and Rayman, hell you can even see a difference in JD


Okay fine.. if you want to compare every game on a side by side front.. let's do it.. the fact is the PS2 got the games yes.. but everything and I mean everything looked better on the Gamecube and The XBOX.. the only one that PS2 actually beat was Dreamcast... and even then it was by a slim margin.. and no the PS2 didn't have crazy differences.. but the PS2 did not have motion controls either... it was not a big selling point... The PS2 sucked... in terms of power and graphics compared to the other systems.. The enviroments looked worse.. the lighting was worse.. the High Def was terrible.. compared to the others.. and frankly.. it was way out of it's league... if it was not for the fact that it had DVD playing capabilities.. (Right out of the box) and backwards capability... it probably would have tanked for the most part... but the fact that it did.. saved it.. because it sure as heck wasn't raw power or the Internet Playing that was it's strong points.. like wise with the Wii if it wasn't for the waggle.. and cheap price point along with backwards capability.. it probably would not have went over as well.. the only difference I can see was total game library.. which was not part of my post.. so actually yes they are in the same boat.. they both had what consumers wanted/thought they wanted.. and sold well for it.. 


you're missing the point. I know that PS2 multis looked worse, however that didnt stop them from existing, it could still RUN those games, something the WIi could NOT. PS2 still would have kicked those other two asses just on the strength of its exclusives, Final Fantasy, timed GTA, Tekken, etc. all large franchises that were PS2 only.



oniyide on 09 July 2013
Gamerace said:
Depends on the person's expectations.

If you're happy with Nintendo returning to 20-30m in sales and only really appealing to the Nintendo core and kids again, then it's still overpriced and lacks games but in time both of those will be resolved and it will do okay based off the strength of Nintendo's franchises alone. Specs don't really matter in this case, other than it's in HD now and 3rd parties are of lesser consideration.

If you expected Nintendo to maintain even a portion of Wii's expanded base OR be appealing to the 'core gamer' as Nintendo originally position the system then WiiU is a total cluster-f--- and deserves to be damned. It's kinda like earning a million dollars, wasting it and being left as broke as you were before. It's just WTF dude?


why would this make a difference? what does it matter how much a console sells as long as it gets games people want



Ljink96 on 09 July 2013

I'm not in the mood to read pessimistic, ignorant comments about Nintendo but Nintendo has been in this position many times before. Nintendo is made up of stronger stuff to listen to Western companies like EA and Activision.

The DS faced similar backlash, the Wii faced extreme initial backlash, and the 3DS was in Wii U's position and now it has been the best selling console for many months and nobody seems to want to note that. People are just selfish and ignorant, simple as that.

Everyone just seems to throw Nintendo under the bus just because their lackluster ports sold like crap and their newest games are no 3D Mario or Mario Kart.

Iwata is a smart dude. I like his attitude and optimism. He knows Wii U isn't doing well but he still speaks solutions. Western developers are all about exposing problems and exposing the Wii U problems they have done. And quite frankly they, along with the attention hungry media, gotten to be experts of making Nintendo's Wii U look hopeless. They ignore Nintendo's first party titles which will save Wii U. The 3DS wasn't selling all that great and here came Super Mario 3D Land to lift the 3DS up. I don't know if 3D World can do the same, that is up to Nintendo's marketing efforts and appeal of the game. I love my Wii U and Smash Bros. and Mario Kart will only enhance that feeling. Keep your eye on Nintendo... they will surprise us I'm sure of it.



Cobretti2 on 09 July 2013
oniyide said:
Cobretti2 said:
The moment Nintendo realises that third party don't want to develop on their systems the better their systems will be because they will be proactive and not reactive in releasing content on their systems,

Even with huge sales I don't think they would get much support. Look at 3DS as an example, how many top tier 3rd party western devs have jumped onto that system? Even the VITA is getting better support from the western world and we know how much support vita is getting atm.

western devs dont mess with portables anyway, what support is Vita getting?


well not much hence why I said "and we know how much support it is getting".  But as some examples, mature titles by Activision and EA. No 3DS annoucements since launch window for FIFA MADDEN or a NFS.



 

 

zippy on 09 July 2013

I do think people are being a bit harsh on Wii U. It has only been out 7 months, its still young and has plenty of room for improvement. Specs wise it is fine, there will be some great looking games on the system. In the end a system is judged on games, when the games arrive hopefully a more positive view is taken on Wii U. It wont be another Wii in terms of success, but it will have solid sales and a solid games library. If Nintendo bring out quality title after quality title like they have done on 3DS, the software will do the talkin.