"Also not to mention Kinect which is the best thing in gaming right now"



Seriously though, the 180 they did on the Xbox one probably won back some of their fans but I think the overall disaster that happened before lost them some loyal fans as well. That being said, they have a stronger line up than the PS4 so maybe. Then again the PS3 right now is dominating europe so that might carry over to the next gen. The xbox one does come with kinect bundled into it but people are still not sold on it, especially if it is still being forced on people. While the PS4 has no camera bundled, it made the console cheaper to sell.

It could go either way, but i think Sony has a lot of momentum going for them. They need to ride that, play it carefully and maybe unveil some more exclusives for launch or early next year to take it home.

PS4 has Knack and Killzone (the 2 games I'm getting at launch) as well as Infamous, Driveclub, and 1886 early on in it's life so I don't it's as clear cut as you say for exclusives. PSN already rivals Live with no paywall (not saying it's better but they are comparable and it's FREE so what's going to happen when Sony has money to pump into it from subs?). PS4 will also be cheaper and more powerful. The power many people don't care about but if they're getting next gen for better COD, BF, and Fifa they won't be going $100 to get a camera. Also PS+ will continue to deliver such great value (such as Driveclub at launch along with many indies until the AAA games get old enough) that I'm sure people will see how much more they're getting for that $50 than the $60 they spend on Live. Plus back to those COD and BF guys the controller is getting universal praise so less complaining about Xbox having the only good controller this gen. I don't see how One could beat PS4 when 360 lost to PS3 even with its head start (15 months in Europe) and undercutting Sony even MORE than they're getting undercut this gen. The US is the only question mark. I hope my homeland comes to its senses this gen.

Spain is definitely a "playstation country", since ps1 era, and PS3 probably have, if not the best, one of the best ratios of the world. Wii was very popular, like everywhere else, but the console gaming is basically asociated to Playstation, or "la plei", like we say here. 

Think it's pretty obvious for many people...

I'm sorry...what? You serious?

Anyone believing the xbox one has a fighting chance outside of the US this gen is either living under a rock or ignoring the mass of polls and opinions in heavy favor of ps4, even in the US the xbox one is going to struggle to be a contender.

You can disagree if you want but be warned in a years time when the results are in i'll dig this thread up from the grave and make a new thread aimed specifically to laugh at you.

Or... they're not ready to make a snap judgement when each system is still several months away from launch?

In spain is sure that Ps4 win. All my friends have x360 (made a very big gap in the empire of Sony and is grateful) but the empire"plays" is come back again. I dont understand. Here there is much manipulation by sony with magazines, video games store workers and television

ps4 will win europe without a doubt, if the 360 didn't make it this gen with 1 year and half advantage, there is practically no chance this new gen for the ONE in europe, in fact i am expecting a bigger gap this gen. Just watch

xbox one will not beat PS4 world wide who ever think this are just plain crazy lol