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JEMC on 08 November 2024

It is indeed quite surprising to see how well AMD is doing, financially speaking, with roughly 25% of the desktop space, while Intel is losing money like crazy with their 75% percentage.

Mind you, AMD seems to do a bit better in the enterprise market, where the profit margins are higher, as Jizz posted a couple days ago, but it's still surprising to see Intel doing so bad.

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Darc Requiem on 08 November 2024

Intel still gets a lot of business from pre-builts sent to office clients. My company finally switched to AMD when they issued our latest laptops. Going from that crappy Intel CPU to a Ryzen 7 7840HS has been like night and day. I could technically do some light gaming on this thing since it has a 780M.

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 08 November 2024

One thing to keep in mind that while Intel does make CPUs, a large part of their business are fabs and just like Samsung, TSMC is eating Intels lunch and are getting destroyed in practically every front. AMD doesn't need to worry about fabs so that is likely why they are so profitable.

Intels current state is:
Fabs: TSMC > Intel
CPUs: AMD > Intel
GPUs: Nvidia > AMD >>>>>> Intel

Intel does have a lot of customers and a lot of loyal large volume clients like Dell but fabs are an endless moneysink and Intel has like little to no wins in other fronts to stay profitable and keep their fabs alive.

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Chrkeller on 08 November 2024

What do you all mean by "fabs?" I don't really know what that refers to. Just curious.

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Chrkeller said:

What do you all mean by "fabs?" I don't really know what that refers to. Just curious.

Fabrication foundries (commonly called fabs) are the places where the chips are made. AMD like intel used to have them but spun them off and now TMSC makes their chips. AMD designs them but as a fabless company has to contract a foundry to make it for them.

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Chrkeller on 09 November 2024

Chicho said:

Chrkeller said:

What do you all mean by "fabs?" I don't really know what that refers to. Just curious.

Fabrication foundries (commonly called fabs) are the places where the chips are made. AMD like intel used to have them but spun them off and now TMSC makes their chips. AMD designs them but as a fabless company has to contract a foundry to make it for them.

Oh makes sense. Thank you for the learning.

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Random_Matt on 09 November 2024

Pemalite said:

Despite Intel having flopped and floundered for years... They still control 75% of the desktop market.
...And despite controlling 75% of the market, their financials look terrible.

They need to streamline the business and make it more efficient, they *should* be fine to operate at 50% marketshare, not struggle at 75%.

It also showcases how much of a hill that AMD has to climb... 25% of the market after years of beating the competition with a faster, cheaper and better quality product... And this is also why they seem to struggle to have relevancy in the GPU space. - Mindshare.

Mindshare is a powerful thing, even when you have the superior product, it's often hard to beat the popularity contest that is associated with a brand.

I'll probably settle for a Ryzen 9 9950X3D when it releases rather than the lower core count 9800X3D, it will be a decent upgrade over the old 5950X I am currently using.

Duh, ask Dell etc why that is. Those stats are nothing to do with DIY builders.

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Pemalite on 09 November 2024

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

One thing to keep in mind that while Intel does make CPUs, a large part of their business are fabs and just like Samsung, TSMC is eating Intels lunch and are getting destroyed in practically every front. AMD doesn't need to worry about fabs so that is likely why they are so profitable.

Intels current state is:
Fabs: TSMC > Intel
CPUs: AMD > Intel
GPUs: Nvidia > AMD >>>>>> Intel

Intel does have a lot of customers and a lot of loyal large volume clients like Dell but fabs are an endless moneysink and Intel has like little to no wins in other fronts to stay profitable and keep their fabs alive.

This is true. The fabs are a massive financial drain.
But that is also part of Intels own fault for not opening up capacity for external companies sooner to draw in long term contracts.

Random_Matt said:

Duh, ask Dell etc why that is. Those stats are nothing to do with DIY builders.

I am aware of the cause and effect.
The issue is that... A company that is still a monopoly is financially worse off than a company in the same market... That isn't normal in most markets.

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