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The Radeon Control Panel is like four parallel universes ahead of Nvidia's. I swear that thing looks about the same in the 4090 as it did in the 9600 I had 15 years ago. It had some cool features you can't really replace even with Afterburner/Rivatuner.



 

 

 

 

 

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JEMC said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Windows 11 Update Causing Problems With AMD Adrenalin Control Panel, Resets Settings To Default

https://wccftech.com/windows-11-update-problem-amd-adrenalin-control-panel-resets-settings-to-default/

Say what you will about Nvidia's Windows XP design with their control panel, least theirs don't seem to have endless issues with windows update almost every month

Let me get this right. MSoft launched an update for Copilot that breaks AMD's software and, instead of blaming MSoft for launching an update that, yet again, breaks another third party software or turn it into a joke ("Will MSoft ever launch an update that doesn't brake something?"), you take this chance to what, attack AMD for having a modern looking suite instead of the old and commonly criticized Nvidia outdated one?

Ok.

I don't know, maybe the problem lies in WIndows 11, something that many seem to agree with given how few have made the jump from Win10:

Two years after launch Windows 11 adoption is still waaaay behind Windows 10
https://www.pcgamer.com/two-years-after-launch-windows-11-adoption-is-still-waaaay-behind-windows-10/
Windows 10 still utterly dominates the desktop PC operating system market, despite Windows 11 having been around for 2 years now. And there's not much sign of this changing any time soon.

We all love a nice bunch of statistics to pour over and pick apart, but right now Microsoft must be looking at these figures on StatCounter (via TechSpot) and be absolutely hating them. Why? Because they suggest people, as individuals and as a business, really aren't into Windows 11 at all.

With the numbers now updated for September 2023, we can see the global uptake of Microsoft's latest operating system has been stagnant since April 2023, and there doesn't seem to be any indication that this will change.

Not only that, but the market share paints a dismal picture: 71% for Win10, just 24% for Win11, and 3% for Win7 (with the rest being XP, 8.1, and so on). The figure for Windows 10 has barely changed in twelve months and it's only the decline of Windows 7 that has benefited the newest version.

But why is it that only AMDs stuff breaks and not Nvidia? If this was the first time Windows update broke something Radeon related, fair enough but it isn't.  It happens fairly frequently. If Microsofts update broke both AMD and Nvidias drivers, fair enough but they don't. Not to mention we have seen those other issues where Windows somehow manages to overwrite AMDs most recent drivers so you get a warning message:

https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/05/30/windows-11s-microsoft-update-replaces-amd-gpu-drivers-with-older-versions/

Imo I'd rather have Nvidia's 1998 UI that almost never breaks than needing to constantly worry about AMDs "modern" UI. Ideally of course, Nvidia would update their UI so it looks modern while AMD would update their drivers so it would stop breaking from Windows updates. We all know Microsoft is a trash company but if Nvidia found a way to prevent their drivers from breaking via Windows update, AMD can too.



                  

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
JEMC said:

Let me get this right. MSoft launched an update for Copilot that breaks AMD's software and, instead of blaming MSoft for launching an update that, yet again, breaks another third party software or turn it into a joke ("Will MSoft ever launch an update that doesn't brake something?"), you take this chance to what, attack AMD for having a modern looking suite instead of the old and commonly criticized Nvidia outdated one?

Ok.

I don't know, maybe the problem lies in WIndows 11, something that many seem to agree with given how few have made the jump from Win10:

Two years after launch Windows 11 adoption is still waaaay behind Windows 10
https://www.pcgamer.com/two-years-after-launch-windows-11-adoption-is-still-waaaay-behind-windows-10/
Windows 10 still utterly dominates the desktop PC operating system market, despite Windows 11 having been around for 2 years now. And there's not much sign of this changing any time soon.

We all love a nice bunch of statistics to pour over and pick apart, but right now Microsoft must be looking at these figures on StatCounter (via TechSpot) and be absolutely hating them. Why? Because they suggest people, as individuals and as a business, really aren't into Windows 11 at all.

With the numbers now updated for September 2023, we can see the global uptake of Microsoft's latest operating system has been stagnant since April 2023, and there doesn't seem to be any indication that this will change.

Not only that, but the market share paints a dismal picture: 71% for Win10, just 24% for Win11, and 3% for Win7 (with the rest being XP, 8.1, and so on). The figure for Windows 10 has barely changed in twelve months and it's only the decline of Windows 7 that has benefited the newest version.

But why is it that only AMDs stuff breaks and not Nvidia? If this was the first time Windows update broke something Radeon related, fair enough but it isn't.  It happens fairly frequently. If Microsofts update broke both AMD and Nvidias drivers, fair enough but they don't. Not to mention we have seen those other issues where Windows somehow manages to overwrite AMDs most recent drivers so you get a warning message:

https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/05/30/windows-11s-microsoft-update-replaces-amd-gpu-drivers-with-older-versions/

Imo I'd rather have Nvidia's 1998 UI that almost never breaks than needing to constantly worry about AMDs "modern" UI. Ideally of course, Nvidia would update their UI so it looks modern while AMD would update their drivers so it would stop breaking from Windows updates. We all know Microsoft is a trash company but if Nvidia found a way to prevent their drivers from breaking via Windows update, AMD can too.

You're kidding, right?

On my previous laptop, it broke down all the time for various reasons. I was forced to make an Nvidia account just to get my laptop running again.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

But why is it that only AMDs stuff breaks and not Nvidia? If this was the first time Windows update broke something Radeon related, fair enough but it isn't.  It happens fairly frequently. If Microsofts update broke both AMD and Nvidias drivers, fair enough but they don't. Not to mention we have seen those other issues where Windows somehow manages to overwrite AMDs most recent drivers so you get a warning message:

https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/05/30/windows-11s-microsoft-update-replaces-amd-gpu-drivers-with-older-versions/

Imo I'd rather have Nvidia's 1998 UI that almost never breaks than needing to constantly worry about AMDs "modern" UI. Ideally of course, Nvidia would update their UI so it looks modern while AMD would update their drivers so it would stop breaking from Windows updates. We all know Microsoft is a trash company but if Nvidia found a way to prevent their drivers from breaking via Windows update, AMD can too.

You're kidding, right?

On my previous laptop, it broke down all the time for various reasons. I was forced to make an Nvidia account just to get my laptop running again.

There's a pretty big difference between anecdotal one off issues vs wide spread problems that makes it into articles which Radeon seems to exhibit quite often.



                  

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
JEMC said:

Let me get this right. MSoft launched an update for Copilot that breaks AMD's software and, instead of blaming MSoft for launching an update that, yet again, breaks another third party software or turn it into a joke ("Will MSoft ever launch an update that doesn't brake something?"), you take this chance to what, attack AMD for having a modern looking suite instead of the old and commonly criticized Nvidia outdated one?

Ok.

I don't know, maybe the problem lies in WIndows 11, something that many seem to agree with given how few have made the jump from Win10:

Two years after launch Windows 11 adoption is still waaaay behind Windows 10
https://www.pcgamer.com/two-years-after-launch-windows-11-adoption-is-still-waaaay-behind-windows-10/
Windows 10 still utterly dominates the desktop PC operating system market, despite Windows 11 having been around for 2 years now. And there's not much sign of this changing any time soon.

We all love a nice bunch of statistics to pour over and pick apart, but right now Microsoft must be looking at these figures on StatCounter (via TechSpot) and be absolutely hating them. Why? Because they suggest people, as individuals and as a business, really aren't into Windows 11 at all.

With the numbers now updated for September 2023, we can see the global uptake of Microsoft's latest operating system has been stagnant since April 2023, and there doesn't seem to be any indication that this will change.

Not only that, but the market share paints a dismal picture: 71% for Win10, just 24% for Win11, and 3% for Win7 (with the rest being XP, 8.1, and so on). The figure for Windows 10 has barely changed in twelve months and it's only the decline of Windows 7 that has benefited the newest version.

But why is it that only AMDs stuff breaks and not Nvidia? If this was the first time Windows update broke something Radeon related, fair enough but it isn't.  It happens fairly frequently. If Microsofts update broke both AMD and Nvidias drivers, fair enough but they don't. Not to mention we have seen those other issues where Windows somehow manages to overwrite AMDs most recent drivers so you get a warning message:

https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/05/30/windows-11s-microsoft-update-replaces-amd-gpu-drivers-with-older-versions/

Imo I'd rather have Nvidia's 1998 UI that almost never breaks than needing to constantly worry about AMDs "modern" UI. Ideally of course, Nvidia would update their UI so it looks modern while AMD would update their drivers so it would stop breaking from Windows updates. We all know Microsoft is a trash company but if Nvidia found a way to prevent their drivers from breaking via Windows update, AMD can too.

When a Windows update broke Adobe products, was it Adobe's fault? When a Windows update caused problems with lots of VPNs, who was at fault?

MSoft is the one launching updates that brakes other companies softwares, programs that worked well up until that point. To me, the cause of those problems is easy to see, and it's also easy to see the reason for those problems: poor testing before release.

Tell me, if someone riding a motorcycle makes a turn at an intersection with the traffic light green but without putting on the blinker and a car that has run/jumped a red light crashes into him, will you blame the motorcycle or the car? This is the same situation, because while AMD's control center may have its flaws, it's MSoft the one has caused this problem.



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I doubt we see a huge uptick in windows 11 until 2025 when official support for windows 10 ends. It not so much I think consumer care that much for official support but rather many big business going to switch over because of that. It possible they offer payed support for windows 10 longer like they did for windows 7 but I have my doubts and many companies I think will just bite the bullet and switch rather then paying for extended support.

Edit:  Assuming windows 11 is still newest.  Some rumors say they release windows 12 next year which might lead a lot of people to skip windows 11 completely.



I would like to mention the possibility that AMD relies on some unsupported and unstable functionality for their software, in which case it would absolutely be AMD's fault if a Windows update breaks their software. That would be kind of (but not really) like old Windows software that would have broken, had Microsoft released Windows 9 instead of skipping straight to Window 10, because they were checking whether the version starts with 9.

But it's absolutely not guaranteed that this is the case. I'm just pointing out that it's not necessarily Microsoft's fault if a Windows update breaks things, even though it might be.



JEMC said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

But why is it that only AMDs stuff breaks and not Nvidia? If this was the first time Windows update broke something Radeon related, fair enough but it isn't.  It happens fairly frequently. If Microsofts update broke both AMD and Nvidias drivers, fair enough but they don't. Not to mention we have seen those other issues where Windows somehow manages to overwrite AMDs most recent drivers so you get a warning message:

https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/05/30/windows-11s-microsoft-update-replaces-amd-gpu-drivers-with-older-versions/

Imo I'd rather have Nvidia's 1998 UI that almost never breaks than needing to constantly worry about AMDs "modern" UI. Ideally of course, Nvidia would update their UI so it looks modern while AMD would update their drivers so it would stop breaking from Windows updates. We all know Microsoft is a trash company but if Nvidia found a way to prevent their drivers from breaking via Windows update, AMD can too.

When a Windows update broke Adobe products, was it Adobe's fault? When a Windows update caused problems with lots of VPNs, who was at fault?

MSoft is the one launching updates that brakes other companies softwares, programs that worked well up until that point. To me, the cause of those problems is easy to see, and it's also easy to see the reason for those problems: poor testing before release.

Tell me, if someone riding a motorcycle makes a turn at an intersection with the traffic light green but without putting on the blinker and a car that has run/jumped a red light crashes into him, will you blame the motorcycle or the car? This is the same situation, because while AMD's control center may have its flaws, it's MSoft the one has caused this problem.

Like I get what you are saying that it should be on Microsoft to test out updates before release to make sure they work on every GPU vendor and I am not disagreeing. But the issue is that why is it that Nvidia products never seems to have wide spread issues like this from Windows updates while Radeon products do multiple times a year when it comes to windows updates? If it's like okay this update broke Radeon products, this other update broke Nvidia products and etc. Fair enough. But that isn't the case. It's more like, this update broke Radeon products today, wait a few months, this new update broke Radeon products again, wait some more months, oh another update broke Radeon products again. 

The point is that this is becoming a frequent enough occurrence it's clear that whatever the way that Microsoft is testing Radeon products is clearly not working and Microsoft isn't adjusting their testing methodology enough to count for the frequent occurrence of Radeon drivers getting cucked. And this is where AMD needs to step in because Microsoft is making their products look bad because of the fact that we do get these articles relatively frequently about Radeon drivers getting cucked by windows updates. AMD needs to go to Microsoft and figure this out because Nvidia sure has.



                  

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Cyran said:

I doubt we see a huge uptick in windows 11 until 2025 when official support for windows 10 ends. It not so much I think consumer care that much for official support but rather many big business going to switch over because of that. It possible they offer payed support for windows 10 longer like they did for windows 7 but I have my doubts and many companies I think will just bite the bullet and switch rather then paying for extended support.

Edit:  Assuming windows 11 is still newest.  Some rumors say they release windows 12 next year which might lead a lot of people to skip windows 11 completely.

Windows 11 basically feels like Windows 8, just not as terrible. There are some nice stuff in there but the UI experience has been all over the place imo.

Zkuq said:

I would like to mention the possibility that AMD relies on some unsupported and unstable functionality for their software, in which case it would absolutely be AMD's fault if a Windows update breaks their software. That would be kind of (but not really) like old Windows software that would have broken, had Microsoft released Windows 9 instead of skipping straight to Window 10, because they were checking whether the version starts with 9.

But it's absolutely not guaranteed that this is the case. I'm just pointing out that it's not necessarily Microsoft's fault if a Windows update breaks things, even though it might be.

Yea certainly could be as well. The legacy stuff can have a lot of implications from a lot of hardware/software vendors.



                  

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For all the talk about how polished Starfield is for a Bethesda game, it sure is bug-ridden. I encountered my first bug in the main menu (went to check what Crew was, and it was credits, and the skip button didn't work), and now I've had at least multiple quest-breaking bugs and a crash. I'm having a good time so far, but this is definitely one of the buggiest games I've ever played (I haven't played a lot of very buggy games, thankfully).