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The addition of the efficient cores is giving Intel a great advantage in all segments, and this new 13400 looks set to be a very good gaming CPU for those on a budget while also being a good choice for that may need it for work.

Meanwhile, AMD still has only 4 Zen4 CPUs on the market and we have no signs of new lower end parts, giving Intel the huge pool of systems AMD lived from during years.
Intel has come back, and AMD doesn't seem to be able to respond. Let's hope the rumors about ryzen 8/9000 featuring hybrid cores is real so that they can get on par with Intel on that front, and that they finally mov their asses and start designing CPUs from the top to the bottom market, including (no poorly gimped) low end parts.

The RTX Remix looks promising for future mods, but there's one caveat said in the discission over at the beyond3d forum:

It looks like the numbers of games this can work with is a bit limited.



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JEMC said:

Meanwhile, AMD still has only 4 Zen4 CPUs on the market and we have no signs of new lower end parts, giving Intel the huge pool of systems AMD lived from during years.
Intel has come back, and AMD doesn't seem to be able to respond. Let's hope the rumors about ryzen 8/9000 featuring hybrid cores is real so that they can get on par with Intel on that front, and that they finally mov their asses and start designing CPUs from the top to the bottom market, including (no poorly gimped) low end parts.

Is it worth it, though?

For that extra die space, you might as well just toss another entire CCD (~ 72 mm2) into the package and get the performance of full cores, especially considering the efficiency gap is so large (a 13600k consumes more power than a 5600X and a 7600X put together!).



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
JEMC said:

Meanwhile, AMD still has only 4 Zen4 CPUs on the market and we have no signs of new lower end parts, giving Intel the huge pool of systems AMD lived from during years.
Intel has come back, and AMD doesn't seem to be able to respond. Let's hope the rumors about ryzen 8/9000 featuring hybrid cores is real so that they can get on par with Intel on that front, and that they finally mov their asses and start designing CPUs from the top to the bottom market, including (no poorly gimped) low end parts.

Is it worth it, though?

For that extra die space, you might as well just toss another entire CCD (~ 72 mm2) into the package and get the performance of full cores, especially considering the efficiency gap is so large (a 13600k consumes more power than a 5600X and a 7600X put together!).

Well we know AMD is looking to go towards big.LITTLE in the future. It's a matter of when not if:

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-patents-biglittle-core-task-transition-ryzen-8000-zen-5

And while the 13600k consumes more power, it's not a fair comparison because they are not in the same node let alone a lot of other architectural differences. If AMD was to go hybrid like Intel, it would be because they can create a better package that gives them superior performance and/or cost benefits than only going full performance cores.



                  

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haxxiy said:
JEMC said:

Meanwhile, AMD still has only 4 Zen4 CPUs on the market and we have no signs of new lower end parts, giving Intel the huge pool of systems AMD lived from during years.
Intel has come back, and AMD doesn't seem to be able to respond. Let's hope the rumors about ryzen 8/9000 featuring hybrid cores is real so that they can get on par with Intel on that front, and that they finally mov their asses and start designing CPUs from the top to the bottom market, including (no poorly gimped) low end parts.

Is it worth it, though?

For that extra die space, you might as well just toss another entire CCD (~ 72 mm2) into the package and get the performance of full cores, especially considering the efficiency gap is so large (a 13600k consumes more power than a 5600X and a 7600X put together!).

I don't know if it's really worth it or not, but doing nothing is certainly not the way to go.

AMD stated way back when they launched the zen architecture that the x600 part would be 6-core/12-threads and that the x700/x800 would be 8/16. Later, with the 3000 series, they added the x900 with 12/24 and the x950 with 16/32. And that's it, they haven't deviated from that formula. Meanwhile, and during the same timeframe, Intel has gone from the 6-cores/12-threads 8700K to the 10/20 of the 10900K to, finally, the 8+16/32 of the recent 13900K.

Maybe, just maybe, AMD should rethink their lineup and move it down across the board. Completely scraping the 4 core processors that (if we're lucky) will come in a year and make 6-cores the baseline, with the x600 moving to 8-cores, the x700 to 12, bringing the 16-cores to the x800 and leave the x900 and x950 for threadripper-like core counts (it's not like they're doing much with that line anyway). And well, it goes without saying but that uplift in cores should be done while keeping the actual prices, of course. Then they would be able to compete with Intel without having to use mixed cores or other tricks.



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Played Street Fighter V for the first time today on Steam. Tested out my two new controllers - Lunar Shift Xbox Series and Galactic Purple Dualsense.

The Dualsense imo was a better controller for fighting games (Street Fighter V specifically). The Xbox controller is still nice though.

Also played Borderlands GOTY Enhanced - my first time playing a Borderlands games in almost 5 years (also the second time playing 1 since I finished it back in 2015).



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Captain_Yuri said:

haxxiy said:

And while the 13600k consumes more power, it's not a fair comparison because they are not in the same node let alone a lot of other architectural differences. If AMD was to go hybrid like Intel, it would be because they can create a better package that gives them superior performance and/or cost benefits than only going full performance cores.

Well, that is Intel's problem to solve next as much as it is AMD's problem to opt for hybrid cores or find another solution. The point is just that one has an easier time than the other since short-term fixes already exist (3D cache for gaming, and, if they really want to, more CCDs for multithread).



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
Captain_Yuri said:

And while the 13600k consumes more power, it's not a fair comparison because they are not in the same node let alone a lot of other architectural differences. If AMD was to go hybrid like Intel, it would be because they can create a better package that gives them superior performance and/or cost benefits than only going full performance cores.

Well, that is Intel's problem to solve next as much as it is AMD's problem to opt for hybrid cores or find another solution. The point is just that one has an easier time than the other since short-term fixes already exist (3D cache for gaming, and, if they really want to, more CCDs for multithread).

Well a 13600k is competitive in gaming and is faster in multicore than a 7700X. Even during the recent sales, the price of the 7700X I saw go for as low as $348 while the retail price of the 13600k without any discounts is $330. If you add in Vcache to 7700X, it will be faster in gaming but also more expensive while still being behind in multicore. If you add in more CCDs and more Vcache to fix both, then the CPU will be a lot more expensive to the point of being in a different price class. So for Intel, the hybrid looks to be more effective than CCDs when it comes to price to performance.

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BasilZero said:

Played Street Fighter V for the first time today on Steam. Tested out my two new controllers - Lunar Shift Xbox Series and Galactic Purple Dualsense.

The Dualsense imo was a better controller for fighting games (Street Fighter V specifically). The Xbox controller is still nice though.

Also played Borderlands GOTY Enhanced - my first time playing a Borderlands games in almost 5 years (also the second time playing 1 since I finished it back in 2015).

How's Borderlands? I played the original version several times but I still haven't touched the enhanced release. Are there improvements noticeable or it's one of those remasters where you have to look hard to see any difference?



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JEMC said:

How's Borderlands? I played the original version several times but I still haven't touched the enhanced release. Are there improvements noticeable or it's one of those remasters where you have to look hard to see any difference?

The UI/backpack system is more like Borderlands 2 if I remember right, been years since I played that lol

There's a few QoL improvements too like able to collect all ammo at the same time and autoloot (if I remember right there was no autoloot in the original when you kill enemies). Also a FoV slider.

Higher textures, shadows, lighting like you would expect from a remaster

You also get some legendary weapons that are exclusive to this version which were not in the original.

Thats what I see so far.



Thank you.



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